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scooterbug44

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You know, it's kinda funny, long ago when I was growing up...DeFuniak Springs was such a place. There was a town center which had wonderful little shops, a bank, grocery story, hardware store, doctors office and hospital...there was a library and a school, restuarants and (before I was growing up) a grand hotel and a few smaller hotels...there was even a train and train station that worked.
There were houses and a few apts...and all of this was within walking distance!

Then, came interstate highways and shopping malls/strip malls...

interesting how things that used to be, are now being reinvented and called new.

I would love to see small towns like DeFuniak come back--and more towns like that built...I hope this movement has a positive effect on Walton County...and like Shelly I'd like to see the Economic Development section of the plan included.
A large part of smart planning is reversing the decisions of gov't planners - who made major roads one-way to facilitate the fleeing to the suburbs from the cities at 5:01 pm, bulldozed amazing buildings for parking lots, and gave tax credits to sprawl big box stores while they didn't fix the potholes on main street.
 

florida girl

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The problem I see with this idea is that it generally isn't handicapped friendly. DeFuniak was mentioned; yes easy to get anywhere by car, or by golf cart! You could drive up to the front door, walk 5 steps, and you're in the building! Those who couldn't see well enough could drive a golf cart anywhere. Handicapped, senior citizen, mom with babies, friendly! Seaside is not so friendly, if you have difficulty walking, you're stuck, much less with a baby with lots of stuff to carry. It seems that they have utilized every square inch of land for turning a dollar. Remember the parking lot they used to have? Using the county easement for parking is just cheap.
Then, the issue of finding the businesses to fill the slots of the plan. Takes away independent choice of what the individual wants to do with their life and property. Too much government control over private citizens. Economy is bad enough without some authority telling citizens what kind of business they can have and where!
 

scooterbug44

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New Urbanism houses are not any less handicapped friendly than other residences and any commercial use must comply with ADA. The communities are designed using distances an average person can comfortably walk to get places. Don't confuse lazy w/ unwalkable. Many people who live in cities walk much further than that every day while toting their groceries, kids etc.

People who complain about 5 steps to get into a house are S.O.L. since those 5 steps lead to a 2 or 3 story house. :roll:
 

florida girl

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New Urbanism houses are not any less handicapped friendly than other residences and any commercial use must comply with ADA. The communities are designed using distances an average person can comfortably walk to get places. Don't confuse lazy w/ unwalkable. Many people who live in cities walk much further than that every day while toting their groceries, kids etc.

People who complain about 5 steps to get into a house are S.O.L. since those 5 steps lead to a 2 or 3 story house. :roll:

I wasn't comparing with a city, or a multiple story house.
 

florida girl

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You know, after taking care of an elderly family member for years, stairs weren't friendly either. A couple of steps with a guard rail were about all they could do. I did know someone who had to sit down and slide up the steps! The counsel on aging built a ramp to assist.
 

Matt J

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The problem I see with this idea is that it generally isn't handicapped friendly. DeFuniak was mentioned; yes easy to get anywhere by car, or by golf cart! You could drive up to the front door, walk 5 steps, and you're in the building! Those who couldn't see well enough could drive a golf cart anywhere. Handicapped, senior citizen, mom with babies, friendly! Seaside is not so friendly, if you have difficulty walking, you're stuck, much less with a baby with lots of stuff to carry. It seems that they have utilized every square inch of land for turning a dollar. Remember the parking lot they used to have? Using the county easement for parking is just cheap.
Then, the issue of finding the businesses to fill the slots of the plan. Takes away independent choice of what the individual wants to do with their life and property. Too much government control over private citizens. Economy is bad enough without some authority telling citizens what kind of business they can have and where!

I've seen numerous handicapped parking spots in Seaside and every commercial building has at least a ramp. Care to point out some examples?

As for being stuck with a baby have you been to Seaside in the last 10 years? I would say it probably has the most visitors with babies in almost all of South Walton. In fact I have never come close to running over a stroller with a baby in it outside of Seaside.
 

GoodWitch58

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A large part of smart planning is reversing the decisions of gov't planners - who made major roads one-way to facilitate the fleeing to the suburbs from the cities at 5:01 pm, bulldozed amazing buildings for parking lots, and gave tax credits to sprawl big box stores while they didn't fix the potholes on main street.

Yes, and if this group can work with Walton County government to affect some of these kinds of reversals around here, it would be great.
I was dismayed when the historical building was bulldozed up in DeFuniak to make a parking lot....an example of the mind set that has allowed concrete and asphalt to take over our towns and fields.

The other day, as I drove down Nursery Road past the property that Mrs. Kellogg donated to the County for a nature preserve, I was dismayed to see that one of the first things to be done is: to pave a parking lot!

And yet, less than a half mile away Chat Holley road is a disgrace because no pot holes are filled, no white lines painted...the paving which needs to be done on the road, is done, instead, on a nature preserve!

I lived for many years in Tallahassee and one of the things I love most about that city are the trees--and the tree ordinance that preserves them. I spent many years at the Tallahassee (Junior) Museum with my son and his friends...and there were no paved parking lots...it was a nature preserve and the parking areas were natural....

In order to achieve some of the sense of community that the " new urbanism" promotes, leaders and citizens must have a mindset change...that is what I see missing here as it is in many places across our country.

DeFuniak has the potential to be a beautiful little town...it has all the community things that New Urbanism promotes. Yet, the leaders in the town and county have done little to revive those things that made it a good town to live and grow up in. Even when the basic plan is still there...

and, as someone pointed out in another post, the "powers that be" decide to plant Palm Trees in DeFuniak...and oak trees in Seaside! Maybe the oak trees add to Seaside, I have not seen them yet; but, the Palm Trees do not add anything to DeFuniak IMO. What's wrong with oak, dogwood, magnolia....

We had one of the most beautiful beaches/coastlines in the world here in South Walton, yet the planning and zoning that was allowed to run amok has allowed it to become less than it might have been....and the unintended consequences are abandoned neighborhoods with half finished buildings and empty strip mall stores and and office buildings.

And, for all the visioning that has gone on in the last 10 years, as Shelly says above, there seems to be little actually getting done that follows the so-called vision....

I hope this latest effort makes a difference so that my grandchildren can enjoy living in a place that offers a sense of community, a viable economic structure, and the recreational aspects that make for a balanced life.
 
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