Walton County Customary Use in the News

[Jenksy]

Deeds for beaches was a terrible mistake. Good government would correct it and make all Beach public throughout Florida. I guess the old "doesn't pay to sue city hall" has been flipped like so many other things greed has ruined in America, especially states like Florida trashed by lawyers, politicians and their corporate masters.

 

[Matt J]

You got me!


You could start by not demonizing private property owners for protecting their constitutional rights against the county with out of control commissioners who were easily led down the primrose path by some influential but misguided constituents.

Tourism will survive. I believe the county still has the option to buy easement rights to lots that are adjacent to public beach accesses... something the county should have done to begin with. But THEY were the ones who got GREEDY and wanted everything for nothing.

Of course, the county's other tactic is to try to push for beach nourishment for the "east" part of the county that has not had any beach nourishment. After defending private property rights with lots of money and anguish, I sincerely doubt enough property owners will let that happen. It's already failed once, before the customary use litigation.

And quit blaming Huckabee. You are a deeper thinker than that, I think. The lawsuit would have occurred without him. His initial presence then absence did not affect the outcome. And that's a fact.

Good to hear from you.

It's telling that you say it's not about greed and yet here you are ready to sell easements and access rights.

Squint all you want, but you're not getting through that needle.

 

[mputnal]

You got me!


You could start by not demonizing private property owners for protecting their constitutional rights against the county with out of control commissioners who were easily led down the primrose path by some influential but misguided constituents.

Tourism will survive. I believe the county still has the option to buy easement rights to lots that are adjacent to public beach accesses... something the county should have done to begin with. But THEY were the ones who got GREEDY and wanted everything for nothing.

Of course, the county's other tactic is to try to push for beach nourishment for the "east" part of the county that has not had any beach nourishment. After defending private property rights with lots of money and anguish, I sincerely doubt enough property owners will let that happen. It's already failed once, before the customary use litigation.

And quit blaming Huckabee. You are a deeper thinker than that, I think. The lawsuit would have occurred without him. His initial presence then absence did not affect the outcome. And that's a fact.

Good to hear from you.

What Huckabee did for this County is unforgivable. Yes there were issues that needed to be solved and the County tried. We can debate whether they tried hard enough but the point is Huckabee is wealthy and because of his wealth and power we the public are losing valuable resources. Let that sink in a bit. Wealth and power taking away a resource that we will never get back. It is not about tourism to me. It is about whether future generations will have access to this valuable resource. You just want to blame government for all our problems and we can agree on some things but not this. Wealth is going to keep taking more from us both and we have to stop letting two party politics get in the way of common sense. If we keep our Democracy we the people will have a say in government but if we lose our Democracy then Wealth will be in full power. You know this is right. Don't let the emotion of political ideologies confuse this issue. The left/right political ideology we have in this country is going to kill our democracy.

 

[BlueMtnBeachVagrant]

It's telling that you say it's not about greed and yet here you are ready to sell easements and access rights.

Squint all you want, but you're not getting through that needle.

Hey Matt, I normally resist engaging directly with your posts for obvious reasons. But you can't help yourself when the only way you can rationalize the state of affairs is due to "greedy people" and inferring that I must be greedy as a result of my owning property which happens to be beach front.

I don't feel greedy at all for buying property with a deed that legally specifies its boundaries. And with that deed comes all the private property rights associated with it. The only difference in your mind is that you think everyone should be entitled to use that private property. Customary Use has been argued, litigated and legally shut down. The county has signed off on it. You will eventually acquiesce to this as well as private property rights. Let it go.

I fully understand how emotional an issue this is. AND IT'S A TWO WAY STREET with a clearly divided line.

Matt, I don't come out and call you a socialist or communist because of your feelings for customary use and total disregard for private property rights. It just seems that it would be courteous that you not call individuals greedy simply because they are beach front owners protecting private property rights. As a matter of fact, the term, "greed", has lost most of its impact to me after years of its use from posts like yours.

Now, back to directly commenting on your post, "It's telling that you say it's not about greed and yet here you are ready to sell easements and access rights."

That's total BS and a desperate attempt by you to validate your personal emotions regarding the situation.

I don't see any FOR SALE signs by any private property owners for the dry sand part of their property. You may not aware but the county could possibly condemn the property by eminent domain against the wishes of the private property owner. Would that make the private property owner greedy then?

I know you'll never see the other side. I just feel a little obligated to shine a light on your seething disdain for private beachfront property owners. Then again, you do a good job of that on your own.

 

[BlueMtnBeachVagrant]

We can debate whether they tried hard enough but the point is Huckabee is wealthy and because of his wealth and power we the public are losing valuable resources.

I think you give Huckabee way too much credit. Hang in there, this country will be socialist before you know it.

 

[mputnal]

I think you give Huckabee way too much credit. Hang in there, this country will be socialist before you know it.

LOL Huckabee gave himself way too much credit Go back and read his comments.

I really hope there is something called regulated capitalism so that we all have a piece of the pie instead of monopolized wealth. Your fear of socialism is not justified and you know it. You like me have a hard time with change but the older I get the more I understand that change is inevitable and we should accept that which is common sense. If we stay divided into two groups we will all lose personal freedoms and the quality of life that public lands have given us. Hang in there and you will find this to be true.

 

[mputnal]

Hey Matt, I normally resist engaging directly with your posts for obvious reasons. But you can't help yourself when the only way you can rationalize the state of affairs is due to "greedy people" and inferring that I must be greedy as a result of my owning property which happens to be beach front.

I don't feel greedy at all for buying property with a deed that legally specifies its boundaries. And with that deed comes all the private property rights associated with it. The only difference in your mind is that you think everyone should be entitled to use that private property. Customary Use has been argued, litigated and legally shut down. The county has signed off on it. You will eventually acquiesce to this as well as private property rights. Let it go.

I fully understand how emotional an issue this is. AND IT'S A TWO WAY STREET with a clearly divided line.

Matt, I don't come out and call you a socialist or communist because of your feelings for customary use and total disregard for private property rights. It just seems that it would be courteous that you not call individuals greedy simply because they are beach front owners protecting private property rights. As a matter of fact, the term, "greed", has lost most of its impact to me after years of its use from posts like yours.

Now, back to directly commenting on your post, "It's telling that you say it's not about greed and yet here you are ready to sell easements and access rights."

That's total BS and a desperate attempt by you to validate your personal emotions regarding the situation.

I don't see any FOR SALE signs by any private property owners for the dry sand part of their property. You may not aware but the county could possibly condemn the property by eminent domain against the wishes of the private property owner. Would that make the private property owner greedy then?

I know you'll never see the other side. I just feel a little obligated to shine a light on your seething disdain for private beachfront property owners. Then again, you do a good job of that on your own.

Here is the truth about greed...we all have it in our DNA. Some of us just can't admit it. Once we accept it we can look in the mirror and find a better self because admitting the truth is very important for a purpose driven life to be a good steward of this miracle called life. Rules of behavior are absolutely necessary and that could have been managed. What we have now is destructive in society because of emotion. It is much easier to get angry than it is to use reason. People will take sides and then hate each other instead of using that part of the brain that uses reason. Society requires all of us to use reason unless you want to live alone isolated from each other. In my opinion the purpose of life is to grow into a better human being with balanced social behaviors. I think we should put up signs along 30A that says Slow Down Social Construction Ahead We can thank Mike for his part in all this social destruction we have here on our beaches. I know that my opinions do not matter to you and I can accept that but at least try to understand that life has a better purpose than believing that we own something that should be shared...with rules of course.

 

[Matt J]

Hey Matt, I normally resist engaging directly with your posts for obvious reasons. But you can't help yourself when the only way you can rationalize the state of affairs is due to "greedy people" and inferring that I must be greedy as a result of my owning property which happens to be beach front.

I don't feel greedy at all for buying property with a deed that legally specifies its boundaries. And with that deed comes all the private property rights associated with it. The only difference in your mind is that you think everyone should be entitled to use that private property. Customary Use has been argued, litigated and legally shut down. The county has signed off on it. You will eventually acquiesce to this as well as private property rights. Let it go.

I fully understand how emotional an issue this is. AND IT'S A TWO WAY STREET with a clearly divided line.

Matt, I don't come out and call you a socialist or communist because of your feelings for customary use and total disregard for private property rights. It just seems that it would be courteous that you not call individuals greedy simply because they are beach front owners protecting private property rights. As a matter of fact, the term, "greed", has lost most of its impact to me after years of its use from posts like yours.

Now, back to directly commenting on your post, "It's telling that you say it's not about greed and yet here you are ready to sell easements and access rights."

That's total BS and a desperate attempt by you to validate your personal emotions regarding the situation.

I don't see any FOR SALE signs by any private property owners for the dry sand part of their property. You may not aware but the county could possibly condemn the property by eminent domain against the wishes of the private property owner. Would that make the private property owner greedy then?

I know you'll never see the other side. I just feel a little obligated to shine a light on your seething disdain for private beachfront property owners. Then again, you do a good job of that on your own.

I believe the county still has the option to buy easement rights to lots that are adjacent to public beach accesses...

Those are your words correct?

Nothing requires you to engage, but you get butt hurt clutch your pearls and hunt and peck a response overnight.

You can act offended all day long, what you and your ilk have done to this county is disgusting and wrapping yourselves in the constitution is laughable. You and all the other private beachers should be vilified and shammed publicly. Again, none of you brag about it in person despite being your own personal saviors. Long after you're gone I'll point at your house and tell my nieces and nephews that man traded his eternity for sand.

 

[Beach days]

Look at jasmine dunes in sea grove. Judge green gave them beach front in last 3 years. The tax appraiser gave tax deeds . Went infrontvof judge green who granted deeds. Never had a county commissioner question it or signed posted. Look at any deed in gulf shore manor of beach . All were given in last 20 years. So basically the tax people and judge green gave away beach and commissioners never stopped it. Then they let judge green be the one who decides outcome. Ethics complaint should be done

 

[bob1]

Greedy is the way beachfront owners are seen by the other 99.999%, like it or not.

Maybe they're not all disgusting but following the directions of their masters, the lawyers and politicians.

Disgusting? That's the people who actually put property lines on sand and dunes and first profited. They are the ones who should be vilified.