Walton Deputies To Unionize.

[WhoDat1]

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[Bob Wells]

It has been my experience that sometimes it take a while to make a contract great. I can say after each negotiations the FF have had we have improved our contract. Many of the first issues were regarding job security, pay and benefits. It would seem that is not unreasonable. In a State where you are an AT WILL EMPLOYEE without a contract, if you were to have that it seems that would be a SUCCESS over what they have at this time. I know a guy, believe it or not, when he retired did not recieve his Comp Time. I felt that was unfair, this is time he earned. My feeling is if Department of Labor came in we/ taxpayers would be paying a whole lot more than giving these folks a raise and treating them fairly, and this would probably not be a negotiated item, this would be a mandate. These are issues I have heard about from the one retired guy I know and some of the current folks. I realize the tax burden that has been discussed here, but my question is if they are underpaid before do you think the current economy has made it easier or harder on them with the current economic woes with what they make.With the properties I own and the taxes that I pay, I would not have minded that my taxes had stayed the same as last year so that our employees could have recieved more that what they got. Have a good evening, GO GATORS
Bob

 

[WhoDat1]

taxes

If we prioritize the spending at the SO, the budget would not have to be increased significantly...if AT ALL! The are spending habits that need to be changed and we can get the merit pay and step increases.

 

[PBA Rep]

So now the truth is a "Gotcha Game", amazingly no where in your post did I see you deny making this statement.

And why do you continue to bring up Mr. Adkinson and previous employers that had PBA contracts? That has no bearing on the issues at hand. And please explain exactly how you give some of these contract benefits back. Its my understanding that regardless of whether you wanted the PBA or not you are stuck with what ever they (PBA) gets you in the contract, if its voted in.

And your accusation that I am cozying up to the administration simply because I don?t see things as you do is APPALLING.

Since you so knowledgeable in the PBA, please explain how "WE" fire a particular rep. If it comes to life that we do get PBA collective bargaining, I have a real problem with you representing my best interest... And from the looks of other post on here, I don?t think I'm alone in that.

Well, forunately for me and all the other Reps, you can't fire me, I work for the State PBA, because I believe if you had that abililty, all of us would be unemployed. As far as you having a real problem with me, you would have a real problem with whoever the representative is. Since I don't know your name and you use the alias LEO101, I don't think you have to worry about it anyway, if there was a conflict between you and I, then another Staff Representative would represent you.
LEO101, you tend to talk in circles, and instead of talking about substances you try to mislead and talk to points that have no real bearing on a contract.
and I do think that you are cozying up with the new administration, it is pretty obvious by your post. I know you are not alone, there is about 10 others from what I'm being told internally.
Have and nice day. Be safe out there and vote PBA!!!

 

[WhoDat1]

Another reason....

When a shift is short, the department WILL NOT call someone in on overtime. So you either have to work sick or the citizens go without police protection.:shock:

Think I'm exagerating? My off day was just cancelled because TWO others are already off. I'm not sick this time at least. I had taken the day to assist a sick family member. It was a earned holiday anyway, so I was just going to take it.

Geez.......

 

[WhoDat1]

When a shift is short, the department WILL NOT call someone in on overtime. So you either have to work sick or the citizens go without police protection.:shock:

Think I'm exagerating? My off day was just cancelled because TWO others are already off. I'm not sick this time at least. I had taken the day to assist a sick family member. It was a earned holiday anyway, so I was just going to take it.

Geez.......

Don't mind me folks....I'm just venting.....

 

[crazytimes]

They do call you in

When a shift is short, the department WILL NOT call someone in on overtime. So you either have to work sick or the citizens go without police protection.:shock:

and than you get comp time that you never get to take. That is if they even mark it done on your pay statement.

 

[The Watcher]

I agree with your point

I don't know Watcher....all of the agencies that called the PBA (or the FOP, teamsters, IUPA) in did so for some reason. I guess different officers from all over the state could be interviewed for this forum but thats asking for time investment that I don't have. Did you look at Escambia's ontract? Are you a cop? Does it not look better than the "at will" "good ole boy" system we have here?

We feel that the time for rules and regulations to be concrete, even handed discipline, competetive promotions, fair and impartial demotions, pay for time worked, step and merit increases, shift differential pay and job security regardless of politics (and numerous other issues) is now. Most of us are optimistic that the new Sheriff will implement this. However, after twenty eight years of promises, we need to take he initiative to make all of this concrete ourselves.

Sheriff Adkinson will not be Sheriff forever. The next guy to come in may be another tyrant that mishandles money and brings in unqualified personnel and places them in key positions. Working with Sheriff Adkinson, we can see that this never takes place. Every three years we will put it in stone.

Thats not to say that if something comes up and the contract needs to be changed that it can't. The members and the Sheriff would then come up with an amendment called a memorandum of agreement to make the change.

I do agree with your points however, I do not agree with the timing. This whole thing was created in order to protect a few of RJ's stooges and to make things difficult for Mike. Why can't the departement wait about 6 months and let Mike take control and steady the ship? PBA will still be there like little lap dogs waiting to welcome you on board. I am just having difficulty with how no one seems to care about the suspicious timing of this whole thing?

Where were all you Pro-Union guys/gals back one year ago? You know damn well that had you been so bold then, you'd be fired by RJ, just like anyone else who opposed him or had any commonsense. And before you say "you have just proven my point", all I am saying is question the timing of the circumstances, it stinks. Give Mikes administration a chance, or if you feel like you cannot give them a chance, please advise specifically why. Thanks.

 

[The Watcher]

Yup

When a shift is short, the department WILL NOT call someone in on overtime. So you either have to work sick or the citizens go without police protection.:shock:

Think I'm exagerating? My off day was just cancelled because TWO others are already off. I'm not sick this time at least. I had taken the day to assist a sick family member. It was a earned holiday anyway, so I was just going to take it.

Geez.......

This is a common practice. This is also a very good reason to have representation. BUT, I ask, why not let Mike have his fair shake at it. Has anyone addressed this specific set of circumstances with him? Think before you act, once it is done, it is very, very hard to undo.

 

[The Watcher]

Morale Building

Well, forunately for me and all the other Reps, you can't fire me, I work for the State PBA, because I believe if you had that abililty, all of us would be unemployed. As far as you having a real problem with me, you would have a real problem with whoever the representative is. Since I don't know your name and you use the alias LEO101, I don't think you have to worry about it anyway, if there was a conflict between you and I, then another Staff Representative would represent you.
LEO101, you tend to talk in circles, and instead of talking about substances you try to mislead and talk to points that have no real bearing on a contract.
and I do think that you are cozying up with the new administration, it is pretty obvious by your post. I know you are not alone, there is about 10 others from what I'm being told internally.
Have and nice day. Be safe out there and vote PBA!!!

Great way to build morale in the department. Pit the "10 others" opposed against the alleged majority that is for. Great work, as if WCSO does not already have its own problems. You need to really do a little research on one of your internal mouth pieces, what is his motive for bringing you guys in? He's been an LEO for almost 20 years and just suddenly he needs PBA representation? Maybe its because he knows something is coming down the pike and he'll need that prepaid legal...

PBA Rep, again, you have not listened to several people asking you and your organization to assess the current situation. If you have done your research into those (the original clic who started) who bang your drum, then I question your decision to not understand both sides of the issue. If you have not done your homework, please do so before it looks bad for all involved.

Again, if you remove your emotion from reading this post, as you tend to get very PBA defensive (which I understand, it is your job), you will read that I support PBA and FOP. I am for officers being protected, represented and to have an unified voice. I just question the TIMING. Where was the PBA one or two years ago? Really, where were you guys and why did you come now as opposed to then? Answer:

Ralph Johnson lost the election. Ralph Johnson cannot let go of his little fifedom. Ralph Johnson (directly or indirectly) asked PBA to come in for the purposes of making the Sheriff Elect's life miserable. (Now, I am not saying the you in the PBA had direct knowledge of this intent, but it is real, just talk to those who have been involved in this County for a while, not a few weeks).

Timing is everything.