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[mputnal]

Can I ask you guys a serious question? What is the lefts ultimate goal for America (as pertains to governments role)? What does a left utopia look like? As someone on the right, my personal end goal for America would be minimal government, fair tax system, fiscal responsibility in the spending of tax dollars, following the constitution as much as possible, strong military, secure borders, free speech.

Okay here is the truth. There is no Left or Right Utopia. Utopia is all about perfection and there will never be perfection. So the answers you are looking for do not exist. What we all want is equality and fairness applied the best we can to social, political and moral issues. Why would anyone want an unfair tax system, irresponsible spending, weak military, insecure borders and free speech? The only reason you believe the left is evil is because you do not use your common sense. Propaganda by a group of extremists and power hungry politicians have riled you up into believing in things that are not true. Our constitution is a wonderful blueprint for both progressive and conservative ideals. Neither ideal in the extreme is what our Constitution is about. Our politics has divided us and I don't know if we will get back to the ideal of using our common sense. Common sense is sound judgement in decision making. Sound judgement is listening and learning things you did not know. I am surprised that you would not know how much oppression, prejudice and bias exist in our history and in the present. The only thing that will help is learning things on your own without someone telling you how to think. You will not find Utopia but you might find spiritual peace and harmony...

 

[mputnal]

I believe Obama had good intentions to slow down Iran's nuclear program. I do not believe Iran had the same good intentions. Rightful owner might be a tad complicated but I understand your point.

 

[Lake View Too]

Can I ask you guys a serious question? What is the lefts ultimate goal for America (as pertains to governments role)? What does a left utopia look like? As someone on the right, my personal end goal for America would be minimal government, fair tax system, fiscal responsibility in the spending of tax dollars, following the constitution as much as possible, strong military, secure borders, free speech.

Not looking for utopia, either. I would just like government leaders that do not incite the violent overthrow of fair elections, do not extort foreign leaders to meddle in our domestic election process, and do not engage in espionage and sedition. That would be a start. But I would also like the government to stay out of women's reproductive rights, and stay out of politicizing the education system. I could really go for some kind of sane gun control, also. The list could go on, but the Right's inability to stop its hypocrisy, lies, and diss-information, will prevent the GQP from ever attempting to tackle real issues that actually help people. Repealing tax laws that only help the rich, also pops up in my mind about ways to avoid dystopia.

 

[PoppaJ]

 

[Lou Deman]

Okay here is the truth. There is no Left or Right Utopia. Utopia is all about perfection and there will never be perfection. So the answers you are looking for do not exist. What we all want is equality and fairness applied the best we can to social, political and moral issues. Why would anyone want an unfair tax system, irresponsible spending, weak military, insecure borders and free speech? The only reason you believe the left is evil is because you do not use your common sense. Propaganda by a group of extremists and power hungry politicians have riled you up into believing in things that are not true. Our constitution is a wonderful blueprint for both progressive and conservative ideals. Neither ideal in the extreme is what our Constitution is about. Our politics has divided us and I don't know if we will get back to the ideal of using our common sense. Common sense is sound judgement in decision making. Sound judgement is listening and learning things you did not know. I am surprised that you would not know how much oppression, prejudice and bias exist in our history and in the present. The only thing that will help is learning things on your own without someone telling you how to think. You will not find Utopia but you might find spiritual peace and harmony...

Mputnal
Thanks for the reply
I should not have used the word utopia. I'm just trying to see what the lefts end goals are because I have no idea where this admin is going

All items addressed below are my opinion

If you will engage for another post what does a 'fair' tax system mean to you? To me it means everyone would pay the same percentage of their income. Thoughts?

I believe 'we the people' are ill informed about all of the insanely stupid spending our government does. I feel there should be 100% transparency in our budget, with the internet I have to believe this would be an easy accomplishment.

I believe the softening of our armed forces and the lowering of the entry requirements will hurt us in our next engagement. I think the upper level of our military is more concerned with politics as opposed to the lethality of our troops.

Clearly this admin's policies have led to issues at the border. I believe we need to install a physical deterrent and then come up with some kind of system for expediting visa's for people that want to be Americans. I am very pro immigrant (as I work with dozens of illegals everyday), I also think we need to address what to do with the people who are here now so we can get them into our system.

Clearly free speech has been stifled and suppressed though tech companies and thats not right. Our new media (on both sides) is no longer the news, it is mostly opinion based reporting.

To the rest of your comments
I do not think the left is evil, it just think its a different lense then the one I see stuff through. I have some great friends on your side and politics has divided us but when we drop our axes we are not too different in our end goal but or path is different. To say I don't use my common sense is a comment that isn't needed if you really want to have a conversation.

You have no idea what I believe so that comment is odd. I will say this, I have read a ton of comments on Sowal where people on the left state what they think the right believes or the rights mindset and usually the comments are not even remotely close to accurate.

When you say 'I am surprised that you would not know how much oppression, prejudice and bias exist in our history and in the present' What are you basing this on?

I can promise you no one tells me what or how to think anymore then they do you so lets start with that foundation.

I, personally, am very much at peace with who I am, I know my soul is clean. I know the path behind me and I am worried about the path ahead if we do not find some middle ground


I do hope you respond without the personal attacks so we might be able to learn across the isle

Thank you

 

[Lou Deman]

Not looking for utopia, either. I would just like government leaders that do not incite the violent overthrow of fair elections, do not extort foreign leaders to meddle in our domestic election process, and do not engage in espionage and sedition. That would be a start. But I would also like the government to stay out of women's reproductive rights, and stay out of politicizing the education system. I could really go for some kind of sane gun control, also. The list could go on, but the Right's inability to stop its hypocrisy, lies, and diss-information, will prevent the GQP from ever attempting to tackle real issues that actually help people. Repealing tax laws that only help the rich, also pops up in my mind about ways to avoid dystopia.

LVT
I don't think I can respond without coming off aggressive but I'll try

Trump, be nature, is a sore loser but does that rise him to being a mastermind of Jan 6th? I can't make that leap with you, if he did they would have found evidence to your point.

I imagine you are talking about the conversation with the new Ukrainian president. Please post the transcript backing up your claim of extortion and meddling if you would like, should be easy to find.

I don't think your side will have any luck with claims of espionage and sedition but for your sake lets just give it time.

As far as women reproductive rights the Supreme Court corrected a past wrong by following the constitution, when you take the emotion out this one is pretty clear that it is a state matter.

The education system needs to be revamped (as do a lot of our systems), the issue is when teachers push their personal views on children.

As someone that is very pro 2nd amendment, I agree in common sense gun laws but what those are I don't know.

The tax laws are a little different because they aren't really a political issue as much as a have -vs- have not issue. I can promise you that as long as the rich make the laws these will not change regardless of party.

I appreciate your comments
Thank you

 

[PoppaJ]

LVT
I don't think I can respond without coming off aggressive but I'll try

Trump, be nature, is a sore loser but does that rise him to being a mastermind of Jan 6th? I can't make that leap with you, if he did they would have found evidence to your point.

I imagine you are talking about the conversation with the new Ukrainian president. Please post the transcript backing up your claim of extortion and meddling if you would like, should be easy to find.

I don't think your side will have any luck with claims of espionage and sedition but for your sake lets just give it time.

As far as women reproductive rights the Supreme Court corrected a past wrong by following the constitution, when you take the emotion out this one is pretty clear that it is a state matter.

The education system needs to be revamped (as do a lot of our systems), the issue is when teachers push their personal views on children.

As someone that is very pro 2nd amendment, I agree in common sense gun laws but what those are I don't know.

The tax laws are a little different because they aren't really a political issue as much as a have -vs- have not issue. I can promise you that as long as the rich make the laws these will not change regardless of party.

I appreciate your comments
Thank you

“Please shoot a link to when I defended him”

Lou Deman - 09/01/2022

 

[Teresa]

 

[mputnal]

Mputnal
Thanks for the reply
I should not have used the word utopia. I'm just trying to see what the lefts end goals are because I have no idea where this admin is going

All items addressed below are my opinion

If you will engage for another post what does a 'fair' tax system mean to you? To me it means everyone would pay the same percentage of their income. Thoughts?

I believe 'we the people' are ill informed about all of the insanely stupid spending our government does. I feel there should be 100% transparency in our budget, with the internet I have to believe this would be an easy accomplishment.

I believe the softening of our armed forces and the lowering of the entry requirements will hurt us in our next engagement. I think the upper level of our military is more concerned with politics as opposed to the lethality of our troops.

Clearly this admin's policies have led to issues at the border. I believe we need to install a physical deterrent and then come up with some kind of system for expediting visa's for people that want to be Americans. I am very pro immigrant (as I work with dozens of illegals everyday), I also think we need to address what to do with the people who are here now so we can get them into our system.

Clearly free speech has been stifled and suppressed though tech companies and thats not right. Our new media (on both sides) is no longer the news, it is mostly opinion based reporting.

To the rest of your comments
I do not think the left is evil, it just think its a different lense then the one I see stuff through. I have some great friends on your side and politics has divided us but when we drop our axes we are not too different in our end goal but or path is different. To say I don't use my common sense is a comment that isn't needed if you really want to have a conversation.

You have no idea what I believe so that comment is odd. I will say this, I have read a ton of comments on Sowal where people on the left state what they think the right believes or the rights mindset and usually the comments are not even remotely close to accurate.

When you say 'I am surprised that you would not know how much oppression, prejudice and bias exist in our history and in the present' What are you basing this on?

I can promise you no one tells me what or how to think anymore then they do you so lets start with that foundation.

I, personally, am very much at peace with who I am, I know my soul is clean. I know the path behind me and I am worried about the path ahead if we do not find some middle ground


I do hope you respond without the personal attacks so we might be able to learn across the isle

Thank you

Yes I agree that words have consequences and it is unfortunate that we are so divided by politics. I do generalize and that might be the nature of social media or it just a mistake in communication. However there is no left or right human being. To use these terms is an attack on another persons view of politics or social order. So let’s be honest about that and dismiss these terms first and maybe neither side will feel attacked. I admit I have doubt that you will be able to do that because of what I have read in your previous posts. For example you are not really wanting to know what the “left” believes or thinks. You just want to make your points. I get it but that is not a good platform to have a decent conversation. For example you attacked Biden for causing the problems at the border. You know that is not true. The conversation should be what do we do about illegal immigration. To me it seems simple. Change our system. We need workers. We need to have control at the border. Why do you think we are not having these common sense discussions?

 

[Lake View Too]

LVT
I don't think I can respond without coming off aggressive but I'll try

Trump, be nature, is a sore loser but does that rise him to being a mastermind of Jan 6th? I can't make that leap with you, if he did they would have found evidence to your point.

I imagine you are talking about the conversation with the new Ukrainian president. Please post the transcript backing up your claim of extortion and meddling if you would like, should be easy to find.

I don't think your side will have any luck with claims of espionage and sedition but for your sake lets just give it time.

As far as women reproductive rights the Supreme Court corrected a past wrong by following the constitution, when you take the emotion out this one is pretty clear that it is a state matter.

The education system needs to be revamped (as do a lot of our systems), the issue is when teachers push their personal views on children.

As someone that is very pro 2nd amendment, I agree in common sense gun laws but what those are I don't know.

The tax laws are a little different because they aren't really a political issue as much as a have -vs- have not issue. I can promise you that as long as the rich make the laws these will not change regardless of party.

I appreciate your comments
Thank you

"Trump, be nature, is a sore loser but does that rise him to being a mastermind of Jan 6th? I can't make that leap with you, if he did they would have found evidence to your point." That is still being worked on as we speak. As the leaders of the oath keepers start to get convicted and sentenced, more information pertaining to Roger Stone, Steve Bannon, Rudy Guilianni and Donld Trump will come to light. But, just morally, don't you think storming the Capitol and trying to stop the peaceful transition of power is kind of "unconstitutional". Trump will possibly wiggle out of it, legally, just like a mafia don does. I think it more likely that he is in bigger legal jeopardy about trying to change election results in Georgia. His henchmen are not ready to do ten years without squealing. As to the documents he stole. They have proof, by Donald's own words, that he had the documents (which is a felony, regardless of whether they were "de-classified") and they have him on obstruction. You know as well as I do, that he will be prosecuted and convicted. It's documented theft of government property. Only the severity of the charges that might stem from that will be revealed after the damage assessment is done. Last poll I heard was that about 55% of the country thinks he should be prosecuted. But, you said yourself, you just wanted to "uphold the constitution, as much as possible." Do you want the Constitution enforced to the letter of the law in this particular investigation?
You said you wanted fair tax laws. Are the current tax laws fair? They were passed by "fiscally responsible Republicans"., same fiscally responsible Republicans that caused the economic collapse of 2008. The distribution of wealth steadily increasing toward the 2% is what causes the middle class to lose the ability to buy products and services that keeps the whole economy going. See Bush Tax Cuts, Banking de-regulation, and the 2008 economic collapse. It's a little more complicated than the "haves and the have-nots."
Gun control: please educate me about Right wing efforts to pass common sense gun control laws... hahaha.