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[Lou Deman]

We had to have all our vaccines up to date or we could not play a sport. We did not fear things like that. They told us there could be side effects but you just did it for the greater good.

Back to politics
As for the vaccine I can only speak for myself
On a personal level for me my wife and the kid we still have at home we accessed the risk of getting covid and the possibility of dying (because that is the real determining factor)
I quickly noticed the only people dying were the old and sickly
I know from being on this earth for almost 5 decades that the best immunity we can have to a disease is to get it and let your body fight it off so the body can build a blueprint on how to fight it or fight similar disease in the future.
This is pretty much the process behind any vaccine
Once they started masking people I thought of dust masks
Having owned a wood shop I know how important filter size -vs- what you are filtering is to the efficiency of a mask
Once I researched the size of a covid particle I knew the masks were BS. Fauci wasn't saying to wear a mask to knock down spital he was saying it was to keep covid out which would not work. Then factor that in with the odd closures of some business's and not others made no sense to me.
Then I thought how long it takes to make and test a vaccine and I felt this vaccine was not ready (in my opinion)
I would have no problem taking the shot if I thought there was any benefit at all but I couldn't find one

I definitely wasn't going to allow my children to take it because they weren't at risk of dying and it wasn't tested long enough to know what affect it will have on future generations. I still fear we will see some very bad downstream effects from the vaccine but that is just my opinion.

It was odd and very scary to me how many just took a shot that had just come out without a second thought, merely because they were told to. Even people that were at no risk at all

I ended up getting covid and I took a day or 2 off, I ate a few oranges and some soup and got back to work. My body did what it was made to do and all is well.

Does that answer your question on my personal thought process?

 

[PoppaJ]

Back to politics
As for the vaccine I can only speak for myself
On a personal level for me my wife and the kid we still have at home we accessed the risk of getting covid and the possibility of dying (because that is the real determining factor)
I quickly noticed the only people dying were the old and sickly
I know from being on this earth for almost 5 decades that the best immunity we can have to a disease is to get it and let your body fight it off so the body can build a blueprint on how to fight it or fight similar disease in the future.
This is pretty much the process behind any vaccine
Once they started masking people I thought of dust masks
Having owned a wood shop I know how important filter size -vs- what you are filtering is to the efficiency of a mask
Once I researched the size of a covid particle I knew the masks were BS. Fauci wasn't saying to wear a mask to knock down spital he was saying it was to keep covid out which would not work. Then factor that in with the odd closures of some business's and not others made no sense to me.
Then I thought how long it takes to make and test a vaccine and I felt this vaccine was not ready (in my opinion)
I would have no problem taking the shot if I thought there was any benefit at all but I couldn't find one

I definitely wasn't going to allow my children to take it because they weren't at risk of dying and it wasn't tested long enough to know what affect it will have on future generations. I still fear we will see some very bad downstream effects from the vaccine but that is just my opinion.

It was odd and very scary to me how many just took a shot that had just come out without a second thought, merely because they were told to. Even people that were at no risk at all

I ended up getting covid and I took a day or 2 off, I ate a few oranges and some soup and got back to work. My body did what it was made to do and all is well.

Does that answer your question on my personal thought process?

Now do polio

 

[Lou Deman]

Now do polio

Julio's cousin?

 

[bob1]

Wrestling is gay. And so is the ACC.

 

[Dawn]

I don't think Matt is trying to be a martyr. I think he is expressing how it feels to live in a society that is exclusive not inclusive. Society is changing but it is slow and people do suffer.

My partial point is that we are all martyrs to some degree under this cockamamie congress. Some more than others to be sure. But start with the millions who need life or death help with food, homes, Healthcare... Then move on to the severely and chronically oppressed minorities and immigrants...

 

[Lou Deman]

Wrestling is gay. And so is the ACC.

Cool opinion man

 

[Lou Deman]

Now do polio

You are literally making my point

 

[PoppaJ]

You are literally making my point

Right because millions of kids should have gotten polio instead of being sheeple and receive the vaccine.

 

[mputnal]

Back to politics
As for the vaccine I can only speak for myself
On a personal level for me my wife and the kid we still have at home we accessed the risk of getting covid and the possibility of dying (because that is the real determining factor)
I quickly noticed the only people dying were the old and sickly
I know from being on this earth for almost 5 decades that the best immunity we can have to a disease is to get it and let your body fight it off so the body can build a blueprint on how to fight it or fight similar disease in the future.
This is pretty much the process behind any vaccine
Once they started masking people I thought of dust masks
Having owned a wood shop I know how important filter size -vs- what you are filtering is to the efficiency of a mask
Once I researched the size of a covid particle I knew the masks were BS. Fauci wasn't saying to wear a mask to knock down spital he was saying it was to keep covid out which would not work. Then factor that in with the odd closures of some business's and not others made no sense to me.
Then I thought how long it takes to make and test a vaccine and I felt this vaccine was not ready (in my opinion)
I would have no problem taking the shot if I thought there was any benefit at all but I couldn't find one

I definitely wasn't going to allow my children to take it because they weren't at risk of dying and it wasn't tested long enough to know what affect it will have on future generations. I still fear we will see some very bad downstream effects from the vaccine but that is just my opinion.

It was odd and very scary to me how many just took a shot that had just come out without a second thought, merely because they were told to. Even people that were at no risk at all

I ended up getting covid and I took a day or 2 off, I ate a few oranges and some soup and got back to work. My body did what it was made to do and all is well.

Does that answer your question on my personal thought process?

No it does not answer the question. You completely dismissed a large number of people that you might have infected by not getting the vaccine. I am in the category that you dismissed. I never got Covid because I got the vaccines. I am disappointed that you did not care enough to think about a doing a simple thing as rolling up your shirt sleeve to get a little tiny shot so that it helps not just you but millions of people like me. Covid is a rapidly mutating virus and you can make that point that the vaccines don’t work as well as a whole…unless everyone gets the vaccine. Your point has no purpose other than yourself. Look around at your beautiful family and this beautiful planet. We have a greater purpose than just ourselves…

 

[mputnal]

Lou, your opinions about the vaccine and mask is a symptom of a new pandemic. It is called politics made me do it disease. You follow people who tell you they care about you and then they don’t! You spread this disease purposely. You are dangerous to me, to your family and everyone on this planet including the planet. You take and take and then convince yourself you give only to justify the take. You are not someone I would enjoy sharing my life with even though there is common ground. I have very good friends that have your disease but still got the vaccines for the greater good. I would rather listen to them than you. I am 66 yo and I am still working as hard as I can work. You are not a good person and I am not a fan of anything you feel you have accomplished in this life. Adios Amigo!