Who opened the outflow?

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  1. John G

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    Friday, someone opened the oyster lake outflow...

    It's no surprise that AFTER that happened, TDC code enforcement was "patrolling" the area. In at least 10 weeks, I've never seen TDC code enforcement in that area, Friday, Saturday or Sunday and I'm there each day! There's a beach CAM too!

    Some Jack hole to turn, dug out the oyster lake outflow and the water turned from crystal clear to brackish, in about 3 hours.

    When people arrived at that area, I hear tourists, those that paid $$$, to be here, say "it didn't look like that yesterday"

    Epic failure and prime example of Proactive VS. Reactive.

    Really, we can't see people with shovels digging for hours?

    Give me a break.

    Recall all TDC Code Enforcement and start over!

    It's also my understanding that both "private" residences" adjacent to said outflow have video surveillance.

    Perhaps the non-challenged Sheriff will investigate...
     
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  2. Mike Jones

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    And why would the Sheriff be involved?
     
  3. Lake View Too

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    It's state DEP jurisdiction , but John G. likes to blame everything on the sheriff's department.
     
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    And just think...we've got 4 more years of his "blaming"! Joy Joy! :drink::drink::drink:
     
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  6. Lake View Too

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    Unauthorized excavation of the beach is a DEP matter, but you can alert anybody you want. Don't forget to tell Huckabee. He will crack down on the bastids.
     
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  7. LarsAtTheBeach

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    The DEP seems to be a document only agency. With little or no enforcement capacity.
    I submit crab island in Destin as example, the DEP has jurisdiction but provide zero enforcement over that Sodom & Gomorrah fubar.
     
  8. John G

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    So basically no one cares that the outflow was dug open, correct?

    I guess that's part of Customary Use to dig it open each visit, turn the clear blue, green water to brown (brackish), and not worry about how others feel as they watch it turn in front of them.

    As for the sheriff, I am very critical and will continue to be. I give credit where credit is due, but I'll call BS on BS all day.

    It amazes me how one of the biggest challenges we have in our area revolves around enforcement (or lack there of), yet a significant amount of posters here will give a pass to anyone with authority to enforce....

    As for DEP, I was unaware they handle the digging out of an outflow and not Code Enforcement or WCSO.

    Perhaps we need a comprehensive list of who is supposed to enforce what and where since it's such a hot topic .

    No one wants to take the lead and run with it. Why are all the signs and ropes still up?

    We make rule after rule after rule and hope people don't figure it out. That we do not enforce anything.

    I'm going to get some glass bottles, a dog with no leash (and no permit) and go to the public beach!

    I may help dig an outflow too .
     
  9. LarsAtTheBeach

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    Don't firget the circus tent, the gas generator to power the TV, the bonfire, charcoal grill, maybe a boom box....
    Hell, while you're at it...bring your "assault" weapons. :lol:
     
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  10. Lake View Too

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    There are signs posted at most all the outflows stating the state statues that pertain to excavating. Government is messy, to say the least.
     
  11. Dawn

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    I care, but not because of the silly reason you state. Or because you are trying to find one more silly thing to pin on the sheriff. I care because it alters the natural rhythm of nature. But the truth is that rhythm is forever messed up by building on lakes and outfalls.

    Once again.

    I don't pay much attention.

    To anyone.

    Who doesn't understand.

    What a paragraph is.

    :rolleyes:
     
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    Have you gone and sat down with your duly elected sheriff and discussed your concerns and issues?
     
  13. sunny850

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    John, are you sure it was dug out and it didn't open on its own? I haven't looked at it since Thursday but a neighbor and I were just saying Thursday afternoon that it looked like it was about ready to open up. The lake has been extremely high and there was not much sand between the lake and Gulf. It wouldn't have taken much. Just asking...
     
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    Where do said signs exist? I have yet to see one.
     
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    Now's a good time to clean the debris along the edges of the lake. Is that something the county could take care of?
    The tires, appliances, and other debris have accumulated in the lake for years. There's rumor of a Mercedes after a hurricane too.
     
  16. Lake View Too

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    JB, I can't say for certainty they are at the accesses to each outflow, but there has been one at my outflow for at least 15 years. It's just another sign in the glut of signs.
     
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    Both Oyster Lake and Allen Lake were full to the brim and the outfall was overdue to break out. There is a tremendous amount of water shed into those two lakes even when there hasn't been much rain on the beach. Code enforcement, beach patrol, and TDC all run up and down that area regularly, albeit at unpredictable times. My understanding is that cameras show the outfall breaking out in the early am hours (2am ish) with no sign of people on the beach, much less any vehicles. As you mention, there is a beach cam and both residences on either side also have cameras directed to view the outfall.
    Nobody on the beach loves it when an outfall breaks because of the discoloration of the water. If folks around the lakes were having problems, the DEP would allow an emergency opening, but it is unlikely to occur in the wee hours of the morning.
     
  18. Everytime

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    John G:

    I'm with you on this after what we saw the week of June 11-18.

    We were setting up each day on or near the Eastern Lake "isthmus" between the lake and the Gulf. The isthmus was slightly higher than the lake level there, and the lake was very shallow to the north back past the Eastern Lake Rd public access (knee deep to an adult through much of it).

    Some days the high tide would slightly, gently and NATURALLY connect the Gulf water to the lake water, usually on "red flag" days, and push the clear/emerald Gulf water into the shallow part of the lake. Most days it remained closed and the isthmus was a true isthmus, a narrow strip of land surrounded by two larger bodies of water.

    On Sunday, June 18, we got out there in the afternoon, and the south end of Eastern Lake was waist deep and at times higher once you sunk your feet into the soft, unstable sand on the floor - against the strong current towards the Gulf! We noticed the man made opening to the Gulf where the lake water was shooting out into the Gulf's red flag waves like a water park flume into a wave pool. The isthmus was gone and gradually caving in from the east and west of the outflow.

    I asked some people nearby when it opened, and they said some kids did it around 10-11 that morning. They said a Sheriff's beach patrol unit had come by and looked at it and asked who did it - so since it's a state statute, I'd think that the Sheriff's Dept, as a county subagency of state government, would have jurisdiction over that issue. The signs that Lake View Too mentioned are posted at the end of the Eastern Lake Rd public access boardwalk. Who else would people call to report it, some office in Tallahasses so they can send a helicopter over, or send a highway patrol officer out on the beach in his Dodge Charger?

    It definitely made an impact on the natural flow of the lake and Gulf. Also made the lake floor unstable and the current dangerous for smaller kids, and made the lake and area impassable for Sheriff, lifeguard and beach services vehicles.
     
  19. FactorFiction

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    I believe that Eastern Lake has a "trigger point" authorized opening, meaning that when the water rises to a certain elevation, the County has to notify DEP, but then can open the outfall. Oyster/Allen Lake does not have a "trigger point" permit, but several of the outfalls do.
     
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    From my observation of the northern shoreline (across 30A) during the week, the level looked low, so I don't think it was near that trigger point (plus I doubt the kids got DEP approval!).
     

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