Why we should Care?

[Bobby J]

Bobby....understood. I never said "Sea Walls" are GOOD. They were not installed in anticipation of Dennis because we think they are "GOOD". They were installed after Dennis out of a need to protect. Let's leave that aspect out of all this.

It is really hard to leave this out since this is what we are talking about. Maybe I was too gentle. Sea Walls are bad and research has shown they will destroy our beaches.

By the way, we personally had one of our best rental seasons with repeat bookings for next year. Guess people like 3rd world countries.

People love third world countries! I go often. The more I go the more I find about what happens behind the scenes. I still go. It is great to hear you had your best season! I think we are going to be ok here!

Sorry Bobby, I think this is by far your weakest "argument"...your comparing intentional active pollution to my retaining wall. I see your point but it's very weak none the less.

POLLUTION = ILLEGAL
RETAINING WALL = NOT ILLEGAL

BTW, did you turn him in to DEP or start a thread on this issue?:nono1: ;-)

You are correct. A weak argument but you get the connection. I noted it was weak. I did not have to start a thread or turn him into the DEP. We became friends and I showed him the error in his ways. He hooked up to his septic. I still see some similarity here but what do I know :roll:

Speaking of disclosure...are you going to disclose that many of the beaches that you describe as "our beaches" in our area are actually private?

The great debate of who owns the beaches.... I am not touching this one. I did not know the Blue Mountain beaches were private... Heck, this makes my argument look lame.

If you truly feel for our situation, I'm not sure you would have started this thread in the first place. That is, as I've said before, this retaining wall subject has been discussed so much that many of us could have joined the "BLUE MAN GROUP" and not have to wear make-up. :roll: Your rehashing of the same "old stuff" simply, IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, was aimed at placing many gulf front owners in a less than favorable light to say the least, again. But that's your choice and this is my opinion.

This is the only reason I replied. If you truly feel that I have started this thread to hurt Gulf front owners, I apologize. I had no ideal that this thread had been hashed around before. I think as a lover of the beaches it is an important issue to me. I guess I will need to check every thread before I start a new one.

I guess that means since it probably automatically comes up in the course of conversation, that you don't have to disclose it in writing? You're a little elusive here for my feeble mind.;-)

Thanks Smiling Joe!

Bobby, I don't have any problems with who you are or your idealisms... not that you need my "approval".;-) Idealisms are the root force behind change...not always good BTW.

Thank you, I think. I just see the county fixing a biggggg problem with a band aid.

Just grant me the fact that anyone who completely denies any complicity with the retaining wall issues is probably not being forthcoming....

I've said it before and I'll say it again, those early beach "pioneers" that simply built their homes here 50 or 60 years ago did so for the love of the beach...not because they wished any harm to it. There was NOTHING down here then. Their actions eventually lead to the development of "our area" where MANY PEOPLE CURRENTLY BENEFIT ECONOMICALLY from it's existence INCLUDING real estate agents, restaurant owners, developers, contractors, government tax base, etc, etc, etc.

Simply, I believe you and your peers fall into that category as well (as if you couldn't already sense my beliefs ).

Were errors made in hindsight? Certainly. To expect us to standby and do nothing in the meantime because of one's idealisms is simply idealistic and not realistic.

I agree with some of this. I guess I hope that we can do things different here along 30A. Maybe I am wrong. Maybe everyone should be allowed to armour up. We can have one giant pool out there. It just seems that if we know we are in error wouldn't we want to do something different. I do not think that anyone expected you all to standby and do nothing... It just seems what you all did will not work or even last for that matter. So do we keep on making errors and repeating history? I will keep on trudging into the water and cleaning up debris. I hope you will too.

 

[Bobby J]

Bobby....understood. I never said "Sea Walls" are GOOD. They were not installed in anticipation of Dennis because we think they are "GOOD". They were installed after Dennis out of a need to protect. Let's leave that aspect out of all this.

Can't resist.... see the following for what I feel about "national journalists" and their objective articles.
http://www.sowal.com/bb/showpost.php?p=91490&postcount=36

By the way, we personally had one of our best rental seasons with repeat bookings for next year. Guess people like 3rd world countries.


Sorry Bobby, I think this is by far your weakest "argument"...your comparing intentional active pollution to my retaining wall. I see your point but it's very weak none the less.

POLLUTION = ILLEGAL
RETAINING WALL = NOT ILLEGAL

BTW, did you turn him in to DEP or start a thread on this issue?:nono1: ;-)

Speaking of disclosure...are you going to disclose that many of the beaches that you describe as "our beaches" in our area are actually private?

If you truly feel for our situation, I'm not sure you would have started this thread in the first place. That is, as I've said before, this retaining wall subject has been discussed so much that many of us could have joined the "BLUE MAN GROUP" and not have to wear make-up. :roll: Your rehashing of the same "old stuff" simply, IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, was aimed at placing many gulf front owners in a less than favorable light to say the least, again. But that's your choice and this is my opinion.

I guess that means since it probably automatically comes up in the course of conversation, that you don't have to disclose it in writing? You're a little elusive here for my feeble mind.;-)



Bobby, I don't have any problems with who you are or your idealisms... not that you need my "approval".;-) Idealisms are the root force behind change...not always good BTW.

Just grant me the fact that anyone who completely denies any complicity with the retaining wall issues is probably not being forthcoming....

I've said it before and I'll say it again, those early beach "pioneers" that simply built their homes here 50 or 60 years ago did so for the love of the beach...not because they wished any harm to it. There was NOTHING down here then. Their actions eventually lead to the development of "our area" where MANY PEOPLE CURRENTLY BENEFIT ECONOMICALLY from it's existence INCLUDING real estate agents, restaurant owners, developers, contractors, government tax base, etc, etc, etc.

Simply, I believe you and your peers fall into that category as well (as if you couldn't already sense my beliefs ).

Were errors made in hindsight? Certainly. To expect us to standby and do nothing in the meantime because of one's idealisms is simply idealistic and not realistic.

I agree with some of this. I guess I hope that we can do things different here along 30A. Maybe I am wrong. Maybe everyone should be allowed to armour up. We can have one giant pool out there. It just seems that if we know we are in error wouldn't we want to do something different. I do not think that anyone expected you all to standby and do nothing... It just seems what you all did will not work or even last for that matter. So do we keep on making errors and repeating history? I will keep on trudging into the water and cleaning up debris. I hope you will too.

BTW,
I am heading to the lounge... Tell your people they are safe. :funn:

 

[BlueMtnBeachVagrant]

Ok

 

[BlueMtnBeachVagrant]

Wrong about not having to disclose it. As of 2006, the written CCCL Disclosure needs to be included in every contract for property which falls in that area on the maps.

I am anxious to hear what errors you now know in hindsight about seawalls that you didn't know prior to installing them.

SJ, regarding errors made in hindsight, I was referring to the development along the coast (not necessarily the retaining walls)...but see the ambiguity of my statement. Thanks for pointing it out.

 

[Smiling JOe]

SJ, regarding errors made in hindsight, I was referring to the development along the coast (not necessarily the retaining walls)...but see the ambiguity of my statement. Thanks for pointing it out.

Thanks for clarifying your statement.

 

[GoodWitch58]

Bobby J and Smilin Jo,

hang in there. There are many of us who share your feelings and opinions.

It is a huge problem that has been badly handled by our local government --