Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy

Beach Lover

Apr 25, '19 · 7:46 AM526,4992

When you see a PCB or Destin bumper sticker, what thought immediately comes to mind? Probably same for all of us with any time spent here - nice, but it ain’t 30A! Do you remember why you started renting/visiting here? What was it? Remember when you bought your first 30A property? Why here?
Because it was DIFFERENT, right? Remember the words you used to describe it to family and friends as you invited them here? “Private” “Quiet” “Intimate” “Less crowded”. That wasn’t by accident. The entire genetic code of Sowal beaches is because of the private ownership and neighborhood beach personalities.
You could rent “private beach”. You could buy “private beach”. There wasn’t a free for all frat party atmosphere because of unlimited public beach access on the sands. That behavior was regulated by the privately owned property where such behavior was immediately squelched. And yet, by custom, no one was ever “Kicked off” of private beaches because owners don’t do that unless bad actors abuse the privilege.
Walton County has always had more than 50% PUBLIC beach. Still does. That hasn’t changed. There are now deliberately misleading fear tactics out there with scary words like “Quiet Title” and “Privatization”, neither of which have affected one single square inch of public beach, not one. Yet, the mob mentality, orchestrated by local carnival barkers eager for fame and notoriety, and dollars, have mislead the citizens and deliberately tried to divide the community in a shell game of Customary Use.
The fact is that the county outran the capabilities of local Commissioners to plan for growth 20 years ago, and we haven’t improved that talent to deal with it even yet. So the County, in failing to plan beach availability, tried to illegally claim private property as public, without following the laws requiring judicial oversight. The local Good Ol’ Boys overreached their authority and got caught by the adults in Tallahassee. So they then decides to sue 4,800 of Sowal citizens to take their property. That’s right, your tax money is being spent, and a lot of it, to SUE almost 5,000 of your neighbors, and steal what they agreed to purchase at a premium, and have a deed to prove it.
Don’t blame them please, they didn’t want or ask for this fight. They live here and care for these beaches just like you and me. Go meet them, they are truly the eclectic fabric of 30A. The signs they had to put up are just in defense of this new orchestrated public attack against them.
The bottom line is this: The minute you release the public to occupy all of Sowal beaches, you IMMEDIATELY get nasty Destin and PCB problems. How will you feel about that 30A sticker then? Nostalgic? Me too.

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Beach Fanatic

Nov 22, '19 · 12:00 PM#2077

You got it right the 2nd time. Don't confuse Strawman with Straw Man

Btw it takes a straw man to know a straw man don'tcha think? Listen, we could go back and forth like little boys and girls or we can offer civility and truth and honor into an adult conversation. Yes, you have been successful at provoking emotional reactions and we sometimes react because we are not robots. Well done. Bravo (yes just plain bravo). Why is your job here not done? You have valid arguments but go way beyond what is necessary to convey those arguments for some strange reason. You do not have to keep repeating the same things over and over...unless you are getting paid to do it. Surely you guys and gals are not sycophants right? I still believe that we could have a good old fashioned redneck fish fry along with Reggie's special beer and eventually find something to agree on...right?

Beach Lover

Nov 22, '19 · 12:41 PM#2078

The Walton BCC have zero issues of the deeded private property boundaries. They are legal with or without a fence. Walton County and the Courts all agree property boundaries are real and legal. Just because one person doesn’t personally accept it does not mean he/she can huff and puff and blow away all legally defined property boundaries in the State of Florida.

There are reasons why there are boundaries on pedestrian easements in the first place.

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Beach Fanatic

Nov 22, '19 · 10:16 PM#2079

The huffing and puffing will come but not by me or any other human. Maybe then you know why communities matter...why the people (this includes local government) matter and why exclusive private enjoyment of coastal sandy beaches matters not as much as you thought it would. Mother nature has the only power that matters in our brief time here on this planet. My grandmother was very wise and when she told me what goes around comes around I had no idea what the circle of life meant. One of you posted a lesson on greatness a couple weeks ago. You may have money and political power and maybe have even done a few great things in your life but when it comes to the circle of life we all are the same...worm food!

Btw a boundary that is not visible, that changes on a daily basis, that contains coastal shore sand and has not/can not/did not restrict public recreational use is not a good position for you. In property law land use and possession are very important terms. Not going to be easy for either side of this issue. If I were a county commissioner I would not hesitate to take this to the Supreme Court. If I were a bfo I think I would just share the beach...good karma is not a bad thing...not a bad thing at all...

Beach Fanatic

Nov 22, '19 · 10:33 PM#2080

The huffing and puffing will come but not by me or any other human. Maybe then you know why communities matter...why the people (this includes local government) matter and why exclusive private enjoyment of coastal sandy beaches matters not as much as you thought it would. Mother nature has the only power that matters in our brief time here on this planet. My grandmother was very wise and when she told me what goes around comes around I had no idea what the circle of life meant. One of you posted a lesson on greatness a couple weeks ago. You may have money and political power and maybe have even done a few great things in your life but when it comes to the circle of life we all are the same...worm food!

Btw a boundary that is not visible, that changes on a daily basis, that contains coastal shore sand and has not/can not/did not restrict public recreational use is not a good position for you. In property law land use and possession are very important terms. Not going to be easy for either side of this issue. If I were a county commissioner I would not hesitate to take this to the Supreme Court. If I were a bfo I think I would just share the beach...good karma is not a bad thing...not a bad thing at all...

You are brilliant. Thank you for speaking truth to power.

Beach Fanatic

Nov 23, '19 · 7:20 AM#2081

Here’s a statement, not a question and no names mentioned. Since CU believers don’t even believe the Florida Statute 177 LAND BOUNDARIES definitions
#1994 Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
#2039 Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
and “The sandy beach is unlike normal land in that sand is formed in the ocean and deposited along the coastline.” when science has shown the Walton BPO’s sand landward of the MHWL was formed from erosion of the Appalachian mountains thousands of miles north of here 20,000 years ago; beliefs about CU, property boundaries, and “brilliant” metaphysical meaning of the cosmos don’t have much credibility.

Heck statements like “hopefully, this will be my last post” and #212 May 11, 2019 “y’all can just keep pounding sand I’m finished with this circular nonsense. Adios.” can’t even be believed and are not credible. No I do not believe that will be the most-prolific poster on this thread’s last incredible repeated-repeated mystical CU post. They just can’t help themselves and have to have the last in-credible words. Or like CU believers incredibility do not take responsibility for their own choices and blame BPOs for their reactions. BPOs "have been successful at provoking emotional reactions and we [CU believers] sometimes react because we are not robots. Well done."

The only truth to power is that Walton Commissioners’ police POWER declared unrestrained public customary use of private property, without due process, before 84% of FL legislators and Governor corrected that wrong (FS163.035), Commissioners’ are power-Plaintiffs with Florida Beaches for All with the burden of CU proof that have 7 to 4 criteria (depending on which old English common law you cite and does not include any economic considerations), 650+ BPO parcel owners are Defendants (and have to prove nothing) that have had and have today all the property rights any American property owner has, and the Walton Commissioners’ are willing to spend $50,000,000 tax payers dollars (Oct 25, 2016) to litigate CU and maybe get nothing but the BPO legal fees to pay too. Now that is POWER.

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Beach Comber

Nov 23, '19 · 7:27 AM#2082

Like pine trees with falling needles, grains of sand are not real estate, no matter how high they pile up or where they blow. But the solid earth underneath is deeded real estate.

Beach Fanatic

Nov 23, '19 · 7:33 AM#2083

Here’s a statement, not a question and no names mentioned. Since CU believers don’t even believe the Florida Statute 177 LAND BOUNDARIES definitions
#1994 Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
#2039 Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
and “The sandy beach is unlike normal land in that sand is formed in the ocean and deposited along the coastline.” when science has shown the Walton BPO’s sand landward of the MHWL was formed from erosion of the Appalachian mountains thousands of miles north of here 20,000 years ago; beliefs about CU, property boundaries, and “brilliant” metaphysical meaning of the cosmos don’t have much credibility.

Heck statements like “hopefully, this will be my last post” and #212 May 11, 2019 “y’all can just keep pounding sand I’m finished with this circular nonsense. Adios.” can’t even be believed and are not credible. No I do not believe that will be the most-prolific poster on this thread’s last incredible repeated-repeated mystical CU post. They just can’t help themselves and have to have the last in-credible words.

The only truth to power is that Walton Commissioners’ police POWER declared unrestrained public customary use of private property, without due process, before 84% of FL legislators and Governor corrected that wrong (FS163.035), Commissioners’ are power-Plaintiffs with Florida Beaches for All with the burden of CU proof that have 7 to 4 criteria (depending on which old English common law you cite and does not include any economic considerations), 650+ BPO parcel owners are Defendants (and have to prove nothing) that have had and have today all the property rights any American property owner has, and the Walton Commissioners’ are willing to spend $50,000,000 tax payers dollars (Oct 25, 2016) to litigate CU and maybe get nothing but the BPO legal fees to pay too. Now that is POWER.

The county was merely following the procedures set forth in House Bill 631. Anonymously represented Beachfront owners on this SoWall thread supporting the passage of that Bill should not be surprised in the least when Counties follow those procedures to ensure and reaffirm the beaches are public. Anonymously represented Beachfront owners on this SoWal thread can’t have it both ways; supporting a bill that creates mandated procedures and then pounding sand because the County follows them. I applaud the County for standing up for the rights of the public to not be excluded from any of our precious Walton County beaches. The real power has been exerted by a handful of well-connected politicians, past politicians, lawyers, beachfront owning lawyers and Beach front owners who own likely near Public Beach Accesses. The power to exclude is a very powerful thing and they have followed every path available to them to exclude the good residents and property owners and visitors of South Walton from our beaches.

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Beach Fanatic

Nov 23, '19 · 8:28 AM#2084

#2069 "when counties follow those procedures to ensure and reaffirm the beaches are public." and "can’t have it both ways"? Not credible and a distraction. BPOs I know DEMAND Constitutional due process as specified by FS163.035 (not a bill anymore). My point you avoided addressing is the Commissioner have police POWERS and the power to spend $50,000,000 Walton tax payer's dollars and may get nothing by the BPO legal bill too.

It is a Constitutional American RIGHT for private property owners to have quiet, peaceful, uninterrupted, enjoyment if they so CHOOSE. If you want to call Constitutional property RIGHTS that American a "power". You have the power of Free Speech too and BPO have the right and the courts have ruled (in the Goodwin case) BPO have the right or power of free speech to post signs on their property boundaries too.

Why do you not refer to the majority of CU believers like yourself as "anonymous CU believers"?

Beach Comber

Nov 23, '19 · 8:30 AM#2085

I didn't see any wording in House Bill 631 that set forth procedures concerning non-profit activists brokering power on behalf of out-of-state short term rental investors, such as Florida Beaches For All, presided and founded by David Rauschkolb. (By the way, it hasn't been "House Bill 631" for a long time. It's now current law.)

Beach LoverAuthor

Nov 23, '19 · 9:56 AM#2086

The county was merely following the procedures set forth in House Bill 631. Anonymously represented Beachfront owners on this SoWall thread supporting the passage of that Bill should not be surprised in the least when Counties follow those procedures to ensure and reaffirm the beaches are public. Anonymously represented Beachfront owners on this SoWal thread can’t have it both ways; supporting a bill that creates mandated procedures and then pounding sand because the County follows them. I applaud the County for standing up for the rights of the public to not be excluded from any of our precious Walton County beaches. The real power has been exerted by a handful of well-connected politicians, past politicians, lawyers, beachfront owning lawyers and Beach front owners who own likely near Public Beach Accesses. The power to exclude is a very powerful thing and they have followed every path available to them to exclude the good residents and property owners and visitors of South Walton from our beaches.

Welcome to those of you joining us from that elite “Divisioning” site that won’t allow citizens to join if they have a brain of their own.

Us “Anonymous” leaders in our community have been having a deep and thoughtful discussion on this thread about how we got here, who lied about what, and have provided volumes of evidence of why the Customary Use charade is a very irresponsible, ultra expensive and dishonest play on the raw emotions of Walton citizens.

BUT - The abusers of the public trust - and you can guess who - absolutely refuse to engage in discussion, and would rather use Saul Alinsky tactics to deflect facts and attack detractors. Maybe one of you guests would oblige us with an intelligent discourse, we welcome your views.

And we promise not to:
Assume we know where you live, doesn’t matter
Assume we know your politics, doesn’t matter
Misrepresent facts or history, it’s not honest
Mislead you on laws, it’s not honest
Lie to you about legal rights, it’s downright devious
Diminish your honest fact based opinion, it’s not neighborly
Care about your identity, it’s not relevant
Worry about your screen name, it’s childish
Smother you with deflection, it’s not real
Tempt you with flowery ideas of metaphysical orgy mixers, it’s so 1960’s.

If you’ll read the very first post - 2,072 posts ago, you’ll be up to speed.

Beach Fanatic

Nov 23, '19 · 10:55 AM#2087

Welcome to those of you joining us from that elite “Divisioning” site that won’t allow citizens to join if they have a brain of their own.

Us “Anonymous” leaders in our community have been having a deep and thoughtful discussion on this thread about how we got here, who lied about what, and have provided volumes of evidence of why the Customary Use charade is a very irresponsible, ultra expensive and dishonest play on the raw emotions of Walton citizens.

BUT - The abusers of the public trust - and you can guess who - absolutely refuse to engage in discussion, and would rather use Saul Alinsky tactics to deflect facts and attack detractors. Maybe one of you guests would oblige us with an intelligent discourse, we welcome your views.

And we promise not to:
Assume we know where you live, doesn’t matter
Assume we know your politics, doesn’t matter
Misrepresent facts or history, it’s not honest
Mislead you on laws, it’s not honest
Lie to you about legal rights, it’s downright devious
Diminish your honest fact based opinion, it’s not neighborly
Care about your identity, it’s not relevant
Worry about your screen name, it’s childish
Smother you with deflection, it’s not real
Tempt you with flowery ideas of metaphysical orgy mixers, it’s so 1960’s.

If you’ll read the very first post - 2,072 posts ago, you’ll be up to speed.

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Beach Fanatic

Nov 23, '19 · 11:04 AM#2088

Cute stickers. Walton Commissioners are the Plaintiffs. $50,000,000 Walton tax payers dollars are at stake. BPO are the Defendants. Unrestrained public customary use of private property will be resolved in court. CUnCourt.

Beach Fanatic

Nov 23, '19 · 11:09 AM#2089

Cute stickers. Walton Commissioners are the Plaintiffs. $50,000,000 Walton tax payers dollars are at stake. BPO are the Defendants. Unrestrained public customary use of private property will be resolved in court. CUnCourt.

....or by the Florida Legislature, or by the people of Florida or by the Supreme Court or by beach nourishment. There are many paths to restoring and reaffirming our beaches will be public. We intend on following whatever paths that will take us there.

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Beach Fanatic

Nov 23, '19 · 11:46 AM#2090

Like pine trees with falling needles, grains of sand are not real estate, no matter how high they pile up or where they blow. But the solid earth underneath is deeded real estate.

Actually, not true, in regards to beach front property. Those grains of sand (and loss of) directly impact the location of the Mean High Water Line via accretion, erosion, avulsion, etc. And the MHWL is the southern boundary of most private beach front parcels. Of course man-made "accretion" (beach nourishment) becomes the property of the state beyond the "original' MHWL.

Regarding the customary use law suit and those properties that received beach nourishment to the west, I find it curious that the county is suing those properties to the west as well when the beach is now public in those areas south of the erosion control line (ECL) or basically where the original MHWL used to be.

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Beach LoverAuthor

Nov 23, '19 · 11:54 AM#2091

While we all appreciates passion and conviction, the discussion must be honest. Can’t be based on lies. There is no “restoring” or “reaffirming” something that was never in existence, ever.

To abuse raw public emotions, purposefully waste $1,000,000’s of other’s money, divide a community, and by definition squander mass public resources and systems in a series of Hail Mary attempts to circumvent the laws of the land, in an attempt to gain local power, in many opinions could be argued as irresponsibly narcissistic.

All the while hiding behind locked gates deliberately keeping the public from “accessing” your private beach, abusing actual beach construction for personal financial gain, posting signs on beach promoting one’s business on beach, and knowingly creating chaos ... backed up with zero discussion.

Things that make ya go hmmmmm.
Sorry, don’t have a cute sticker for all of that.

Beach Fanatic

Nov 23, '19 · 1:23 PM#2092

It's so despicable that johnny come latelies claim no one aver stepped on the beach before they leveled the dunes and destroyed the environment to erect their monstrosities.

Beach Fanatic

Nov 23, '19 · 2:37 PM#2093

Tempt you with flowery ideas of metaphysical orgy mixers, it’s so 1960’s.

MALARKEY!

Beach Fanatic

Nov 23, '19 · 2:50 PM#2094

....or by the Florida Legislature, or by the people of Florida or by the Supreme Court or by beach nourishment. There are many paths to restoring and reaffirming our beaches will be public. We intend on following whatever paths that will take us there.

More cracks in the CU dam precipitating this comment??

BTW, have to agree with Reggie: beaches were NEVER public except if one believes the illegally first passed customary use ordinance (no judicial process) made them so. At least Dave now admits they are currently private.

How do you restore something that never really was?

Beach Comber

Nov 24, '19 · 6:41 AM#2095

You got it right the 2nd time. Don't confuse Strawman with Straw Man Btw it takes a straw man to know a straw man don'tcha think? Listen, we could go back and forth like little boys and girls or we can offer civility and truth and honor into an adult conversation. Yes, you have been successful at provoking emotional reactions and we sometimes react because we are not robots. Well done. Bravo (yes just plain bravo). Why is your job here not done? You have valid arguments but go way beyond what is necessary to convey those arguments for some strange reason. You do not have to keep repeating the same things over and over...unless you are getting paid to do it. Surely you guys and gals are not sycophants right? I still believe that we could have a good old fashioned redneck fish fry along with Reggie's special beer and eventually find something to agree on...right?

The vast majority of beach property owners are perfectly happy with sharing their beach. But they're not willing to give up their right to ask someone to leave. Do you see the difference?

A property owner who loses the right of exclusion, essentially loses his property entirely, because...what privilege of ownership would even remain if the right of exclusion is lost? Let's stop trying to redistribute wealth.

If the right of exclusion is not that big a deal, why is the county fighting so hard to take control of it for themselves. Why is the county willing to spend an estimated $50 million dollars in order to secure the right of exclusion for themselves? Especially when the sheriff is already not exercising trespass on the beach, anyway.

Think about it. There's more at stake here. Perhaps there are future plans that many locals may not have considered. But if the county and TDC follows through with their tourist growth plans, you'll likely be none too happy living here anymore. (Then again, more subdivision developments mean more landscaping pine straw demand, more advertising demand on sites like this, more restaurant crowds...Tell me again who the power brokers are?) Please step beyond the beach and see the big, big picture here. (Oh. And thank you for acknowledging that my previous arguments have been valid.)

I am no sycophant. Truth be told, I had to look that word up. I'm just a redneck. We rednecks call it "suck up". My words are my own. I'm not sucking up to anybody. I don't even understand how that would be a motivation for this forum. Maybe I'm not smart enough to be invited to the fish fry after all. I can live with that.

The BPOs are not bad guys for wanting to restrict beach use density on their private property. If you were in their shoes, you would be in the exact same predicament, pushed up against the wall, and forced to hire an attorney, just to hold on to what you rightfully own.

In America, ownership means something.

Happy Thanksgiving

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Beach Fanatic

Nov 24, '19 · 12:27 PM#2096

Personally, I would never assume I had the option to exclude people from my property if I couldn't develop it, fence it, or call a cop to remove someone. You can't do any of that on the beach, not really. And one boundary is for sure is always going to be open for people to enter (water).

It's just silly to think you have control of such a situation. And silly for a property owner to buy such a property not knowing what they were getting into. The horse done left that barn yall.

Beach Fanatic

Nov 24, '19 · 4:12 PM#2097

....or by the Florida Legislature, or by the people of Florida or by the Supreme Court or by beach nourishment. There are many paths to restoring and reaffirming our beaches will be public. We intend on following whatever paths that will take us there.

... NOT or anything your list ... if ancient historical English common law public customary use of American private property is found not Constitutional first. Given Florida state government support protecting BPO private property due-process rights from any Florida County or City government unilaterally declaring unrestricted public use of private property in FS163.035 and your failure predicting 2016 incumbent Commissioner Cindy Meadows reelection (who lost by a 2 to 1 margin to a politically no-experienced "former Mailman Tony Anderson"); even after you admit switched from the Democratic party to the Republican Party to vote for Meadows and back to Democratic party. You admit you spent three years and $40,000 of your own money in a failed effort to incorporate South Walton because you did not understand the people of South Walton aversion to another layer of taxes (and your association with the effort). You stated over and over Walton would become a Ghost Town if CU is not legally enforced against BFO Constitutional property rights and the Walton TDC bed tax collections and real state values have significantly increased since 2016. Visit South Walton, FL
I'm switching parties today! Why not have Non Partisan Elections in Walton County?

#1678 I do not put too much stock in ... Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
MAJOR UPSET IN LOCAL ELECTIONS Walton County Primary Results 2016
#947 I spent nearly $40,000 of my own money ... Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
Walton 2016 Primary Election ... Summary Results - Election Night Reporting
#1273 It failed but someday I hope it will happen.... Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy

Even if IF CU is not found unConstitutional, given your track record of progressive predictions, I do not put much credibility in your belief that if CU fails it will prevail "by the Florida Legislature, or by the people of Florida or by the Supreme Court or by beach nourishment." FL Legislators have spoken in FS163.035, a State Constitutional CU amendment is a dream, Governor DeSantis appointed 3 conservative FL Supreme Court Justices in 2019. SCOTUS has had conservative property rights rulings recently. DeSantis appoints third Florida Supreme Court justice, completing conservative makeover
Supreme Court ruling could impact Walton customary use case

Can anyone find where SCOTUS has ever heard a CU Constitutional case in 243 years? Many BPOs intend to follow the path to affirm American property rights continue to be superior to old English common law all the way to SCOTUS. Talk is cheap. Would you be willing to put $40,000 of your own money in escrow to pay BPO's legal fees should property rights prevail? Did not think so.

"Beach nourishment" or Hurricane Storm Damage Reduction 50 year easements required for any beach fortification failed 94% in 2015 because of Walton's lack of private property easement transparency and bad offshore off color sand. Wouldn't hold your breath on another beach shore fortification. Walton County Board of Commissioners Votes to Table Beach Renourishment Project - Hopping Green & Sams
Talk is cheap. CUnCourt

Beach Lover

Nov 24, '19 · 5:01 PM#2098

You are brilliant. Thank you for speaking truth to power.

Does that mean you personally do or don’t believe in legally defined Walton County deeded property boundaries?

WHY it is reasonable to remove property rights from legally deeded private property owners which have NEVER been challenged by the BCC prior to illegal 2016 Beach Ordinance

WHO has shown going to every single parcel in the 26 mile beach from the mean high tide line to the dunes is without interruption (note: there are numerous cases which show this has been interrupted, such as decades old trespassing cases and the 2008 BCC Edgewater Court Order)

WHEN did this issue become WITHOUT DISPUTE as specified in the County Lawsuit of which FBFA (and you as one of their leaders) as a Plaintiff? Do you think this issue is without dispute?

Beach Fanatic

Nov 25, '19 · 7:25 PM#2099

... NOT or anything your list ... if ancient historical English common law public customary use of American private property is found not Constitutional first. Given Florida state government support protecting BPO private property due-process rights from any Florida County or City government unilaterally declaring unrestricted public use of private property in FS163.035 and your failure predicting 2016 incumbent Commissioner Cindy Meadows reelection (who lost by a 2 to 1 margin to a politically no-experienced "former Mailman Tony Anderson"); even after you admit switched from the Democratic party to the Republican Party to vote for Meadows and back to Democratic party. You admit you spent three years and $40,000 of your own money in a failed effort to incorporate South Walton because you did not understand the people of South Walton aversion to another layer of taxes (and your association with the effort). You stated over and over Walton would become a Ghost Town if CU is not legally enforced against BFO Constitutional property rights and the Walton TDC bed tax collections and real state values have significantly increased since 2016. Visit South Walton, FL
I'm switching parties today! Why not have Non Partisan Elections in Walton County?

#1678 I do not put too much stock in ... Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
MAJOR UPSET IN LOCAL ELECTIONS Walton County Primary Results 2016
#947 I spent nearly $40,000 of my own money ... Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
Walton 2016 Primary Election ... Summary Results - Election Night Reporting
#1273 It failed but someday I hope it will happen.... Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy

Even if IF CU is not found unConstitutional, given your track record of progressive predictions, I do not put much credibility in your belief that if CU fails it will prevail "by the Florida Legislature, or by the people of Florida or by the Supreme Court or by beach nourishment." FL Legislators have spoken in FS163.035, a State Constitutional CU amendment is a dream, Governor DeSantis appointed 3 conservative FL Supreme Court Justices in 2019. SCOTUS has had conservative property rights rulings recently. DeSantis appoints third Florida Supreme Court justice, completing conservative makeover
Supreme Court ruling could impact Walton customary use case

Can anyone find where SCOTUS has ever heard a CU Constitutional case in 243 years? Many BPOs intend to follow the path to affirm American property rights continue to be superior to old English common law all the way to SCOTUS. Talk is cheap. Would you be willing to put $40,000 of your own money in escrow to pay BPO's legal fees should property rights prevail? Did not think so.

"Beach nourishment" or Hurricane Storm Damage Reduction 50 year easements required for any beach fortification failed 94% in 2015 because of Walton's lack of private property easement transparency and bad offshore off color sand. Wouldn't hold your breath on another beach shore fortification. Walton County Board of Commissioners Votes to Table Beach Renourishment Project - Hopping Green & Sams
Talk is cheap. CUnCourt

Dude. Are you fresh out of law school? This is not a court. We are not impressed.

Beach Comber

Nov 26, '19 · 7:19 AM#2100

Dude. Are you fresh out of law school? This is not a court. We are not impressed.

Actually, I am impressed. Others are as well.

Florida Beach Bum's fact-based logic is as welcome here in this forum as yours is, if you chose to share any.

Let's not be close-minded when actual facts are thoughtfully presented here. Personal attacks by anti property rights people diminish their arguments even more. Come to think of it...calling the anti property rights' (feeling-based) campaign an "argument" is quite a stretch.

Thank you SoWal for giving both sides of this property rights argument a platform to share the facts! Happy Thanksgiving!