The US War - Five Years On

[Uncle Timmy]

Here is an overview of US Petroleum Trade from 1973 (oil crisis) to Dec. 2006 from the Persian Gulf and OPEC. It's almost the same amount.

Looks to me that we have ourselves in the same conundrum again, and you can not refute that the 1973 oil crisis had no impact economically on our country.

thanks Mango,

Actually the impact of the 1973 Oil Embargo was somewhat mutted by the fact that it was only a boycott of certain countries.

The loss of oil from the mid-east, or lets say just Saudi (as is discussed in the article I posted) would affect global supplies which would have a much stronger effect on our economy.

 

[Mango]

thanks Mango,

Actually the impact of the 1973 Oil Embargo was somewhat mutted by the fact that it was only a boycott of certain countries.

The loss of oil from the mid-east, or lets say just Saudi (as is discussed in the article I posted) would affect global supplies which would have a much stronger effect on our economy.

Did my best to find something relative to the last oil crisis. I was only 9 at the time, but was smart enough to know I didn't know everything then, still don't now, and never will.

 

[TripleB]

I just want everyone to know that I like achovies on my pizzia. I know this has nothing to do with the topic but I felt y'all needed a break (too much thinking).

 

[Mango]

I just want everyone to know that I like achovies on my pizzia. I know this has nothing to do with the topic but I felt y'all needed a break (too much thinking).

I like my pizzia plain.

 

[Chickpea]

It has yet to cease to amaze me how you all love to pat yourselves on the back for "putting me in my place". Shut the hell up about that. All I ask is that you engage me on the issues, as I have repeatedly done you. If you were conservative, 30Gay would be jumping on your case for not making any points and doing nothing more than throwing around insults. Oh, also, I think you meant "latter" instead of "former", because I'm fairly well travelled. Chickpea, you are not very smart, you don't know what the hell you are talking about, you choose platitudes rather than facts and you don't have the backbone to argue substance. See, it sucks, doesn't it? Now, pretend that you actually made a point before I said that.

6th gen,
I have no interest in insulting you but frankly I also have none in debating facts and/or opinions for that matter with you either because we are just too far apart - I feel you do not listen, are not interested in trying to learn anything new, have shown in your postings IMHO a tremendous lack of empathy towards others (do not recall from the top of my head what you recently posted about Palestinians!) and you feel I am ignoring your posting of facts, am incapable of structuring a coherent argument on your view of issues, and so on and so on...

Let's leave it as I am not smart. I am perfectly OK with you thinking this.


But to clarify one point: NO, I did mean the former as I stated earlier with respect to travel - I have no idea how much of the world you have seen - but here is what my almost 40 years in this world have taught me - in the educated and privileged circles I have moved in (and you may call me a snob), in the numerous countries I have visited and lived in, it is VERY rare to meet people who have traveled extensively, who have lived closely with jews, christians, muslims, etc.. who share your views on this particular topic. Full stop. Period.

 

[30gAy]

If you were conservative, 30Gay would be jumping on your case for not making any points and doing nothing more than throwing around insults.

Hmmm, not true. Chickpea is clearly not conservative and yet I'm going to get on her case for making the point below:

"Let's leave it as I am not smart. I am perfectly OK with you thinking this."

...and the fact that she is not throwing around insults.

Oh well, the cleanup crew is here to do the dirty work; and from the smell of things 6thGen has been dropping a lot of poo poo......

 

[30gAy]

OK, to all of the kettles out there, I'll recap.

I asked Timmy to explain why the US will shoulder the blame for the Iraqis killing each other. He showed that Republicans believe Saddam was responsible to 9/11. Non sequitur.

Timmy insinuated that we were completely reliant on MidEast oil. I showed that we were not. He then put up numbers from Saudi freaking Arabia which verified my point, but he shifted the goalposts by trying to frame the argument in numbers of barrels. I asked why the Sauds are going to quit shipping oil our way and why the regime is going to fall. I then began to detail (sorry, Tootsie) some history and showed why the Sauds are holding their breath. In other words, I helped answer the question for Timmy. However, I didn't answer it in full because the regime isn't currently facing any real threats of coup d'?tat. He replied that since there are Shia in the Sauds' oil producing regions, we should all climb under our desk.

I said that Arabs are prone to violence. He said I was arrogant and ignorant. He then pointed to a non sequitur and shifted a separate argument to fit his needs after I disproved his first premise, that the US is dependant on MidEast oil. Then everyone (including you) clapped, agreed that I was ignorant, and said that he put me in my place. Chickpea called me names and told me that I should travel more when she obviously meant to post that I should learn more. I replied in kind as an example. I think that about sums it up.

That?s not a recap, but it?s damn good spin.

You have made a complete ass of yourself up and down this discussion by declaring yourself the winner of every argument in which you merely displayed your inability to see things within the context that they were presented. Clearly, no one is impressed.

?I asked Timmy to explain why the US will shoulder the blame for the Iraqis killing each other. He showed that Republicans believe Saddam was responsible to 9/11. Non sequitor.? Well given Timmy?s statement in Post #102 I?d say it was very sequitor. But that requires an ability to see things within their full context.

?Timmy insinuated that we were completely reliant on MidEast oil. I showed that we were not.? Uh no dumb ass, what Timmy said was ?Our economy is dependant on the flow of oil from that region.? And then went on to post figures showing that we import 2262 barrels a day from the Mid-East. How did you get from ?dependant? to ?completely dependant/reliant?? I think the fact that the US gets a substantial percentage of our oil from the region is evidence enough that we are ?dependant? on that oil to keep our economy humming along without major catastrophe.

Similarly, countering someone?s point with a flippant dismissal such as ?banal tripe?; ?does not constitute an impressive rebuttal. No one is left thinking ?Oh, wow 6th Gen has just decimated that argument.?

So 6thGen, when you live in a world where you just conveniently ignore the greater context of very complex issues, do not follow a linear logical progression of ideas (thank you UT for hitting that nail on the head), and generally spout off beliefs rather than evidence then you are bound to expose your ignorance in statements like????

?The Sauds are best when the Sunnis and Shiites are killing each other, as the savages in that region are wont to do

And that is why you were so hilariously ?put in your place?.

 

[30gAy]

I pointed out that the numbers of MidEast oil are lower than most believe and that it is a relatively small percentage.

What do "most believe?" Isn't this anecdotal?

What is a relatively small percentage? What is the magic 'percentage' that would correspond to a 'dependance'?

 

[John R]

John R. - Here is what you said.

"the burden of being so young and knowing everything must be very heavy. you ask to be engaged, yet follow up by throwing around insults like a child who hasn't gotten their way. quite sad, the (supposed)intellect is not matched by the tact. how's the pototo salad coming?"

The potato salad needs a little less mayo. You've repeatedly called me a child, you've asked if I should prepare for the prom (I did have a very attractive date so I had to look good), and you've said that instead of making an argument, I "slash at anyone who comes by". I briefed you on where we stood, without insulting anyone. Again you responded with a crux of an argument having to do with my age. Care to show me where my argument is sinking? Other than because you said so?

yes, you've stated your points ad nauseum. when others come with opposing views, we get the same rhetoric. maybe wrapped differently, but the same tripe. it is clear you will not move from your position. that's ok. but please don't verbally abuse others because they don't agree. and no, i will not go back and site examples for your benefit. one just needs to read to see them. there, i didn't mention you age or iq, ok?

 

[30gAy]

The leaders in that region have been pointing fingers at the Great Satan for years, so the anti-American polls are going to show consistency.

Is this so? Where are the figures/polls to back this up. Is your point that these numbers will be flat?

Or is your point that anti-Americanism is irrelevant, regardless of the amount?