And you thought you had it bad

[scooterbug44]

That is my point - I agree 100%. The espousal by mamby pamby types that 8 year little Johnny needs to be self-actualized and can do no wrong brings about the lack of personal responsibility and an entitlement/victim attitude in later years when little Johnny makes the wrong choice(s).

I was echoing your words, not disagreeing. (though I can see how quoting you and starting with "what a crock" could be misleading)

Poor lil' Johnny always has a rough time when the Scooterbug babysits and he gets disciplined. He's always the kid who has the bummer moment before he realizes that unlike mom & dad I mean what I say...........then gets over it once he realizes that if he follows the rules he'll have more fun than with mom & dad. ;-)

 

[seaside2]

Stir the pot.

Remember when mom stayed home and raised the kids?

Now some temporary employee in a day care center has the responsibility to instill discipline, values, knowledge, etc.

So how do we expect our children to grow up like us? they can't. they grow up like the people that raised them, whoever that is on any given day.

 

[scooterbug44]

You can't place all the blame on daycare and both parents working. Once you factor in the school day and any afterschool sports & activities, that "stranger" only has the kids for one or two hours - if that.

Both my parents worked full time (though Mom worked for a college so she had summers off with us) and did a stellar job of raising us.

 

[Bob]

Stir the pot.

Remember when mom stayed home and raised the kids?

Now some temporary employee in a day care center has the responsibility to instill discipline, values, knowledge, etc.

So how do we expect our children to grow up like us? they can't. they grow up like the people that raised them, whoever that is on any given day.

do you really believe that?

 

[seaside2]

Scooter and Bob

To a certain extent, yes.

Kids get dropped off at 7 am, picked up at 6 PM, put to bed at 8 PM, See Mom and Dad 2 hrs/ day, Sat, Sun and holidays at best.

So when does the child have an opportunity to learn what that particular family wants it to learn?

Personally, I am glad that I had to chance to learn from my parents. I am convinced the little seaside had the same.

Can daycare give the kids an education? Yes, but in what? Watching TV?

 

[scooterbug44]

If you really can't devote more than 2 hours a day to your kids, you shouldn't have them. It's called having priorities and birth control!

My world:
-Homecooked breakfast w/ Mom reading aloud to you
-school from 7:45 until 3:30
-after school activities, sports or daycare until 4:30/5 when Dad picks you up
-play outside or homework, depending
-Mom home at 5:30
-Dinner w/ entire family at 6:30
-chores, homework, family time, tv etc.
-bedtime at 9 or 9:30 (age dependent)

 

[kathydwells]

Scooter and Bob

To a certain extent, yes.

Kids get dropped off at 7 am, picked up at 6 PM, put to bed at 8 PM, See Mom and Dad 2 hrs/ day, Sat, Sun and holidays at best.

So when does the child have an opportunity to learn what that particular family wants it to learn?

Personally, I am glad that I had to chance to learn from my parents. I am convinced the little seaside had the same.

Can daycare give the kids an education? Yes, but in what? Watching TV?

Just my 2 cents. My son started daycare at 11 months old. His father and I work full time jobs. By the time he started kindergarten he knew all of his colors, ABC's, and could count to 20. He could write his name, knew his address and phone number. He learned all of this at daycare and practiced at home with his father and I. He is an only child and is 14 right now. He is friends include most of the kids he went to "dreaded daycare" with. He is an A/B student, is a great soccer player, basketball player, baseball player, plays the saxophone, and is a GREAT Kid all around. I will not let you or anyone else put the "daycare guilt on me". His father and I work hard for what we have and he is the one who benefits from it. Ok, off soap box now. Carry on.

 

[scooterbug44]

They just blame daycare because it's not fun to point at yourself or your priorities w/ the finger of blame!

I'll take daycare/montessori school, whatever you want to call it, over an uninterested parent or the "TV as babysitter" anyday! For the record, my daycare didn't even HAVE a tv!

Started daycare at 6 months, had a great childhood, and the best parents ever!

 

[Miss Kitty]

This is not going well. I despise people beating up on moms. Do not throw stones. There is no "better" way to raise your child...only the best you can do way. Believe this...I was and hung out with many stay at home moms and working moms...I bet if we made a graph or a pie chart of which group of moms had the most "perfect" children, it would be blank. Just do your best...even if there is a hiccup, face it, work through it and keep loving your child.

 

[NoHall]

This is not going well. I despise people beating up on moms. Do not throw stones. There is no "better" way to raise your child...only the best you can do way. Believe this...I was and hung out with many stay at home moms and working moms...I bet if we made a graph or a pie chart of which group of moms had the most "perfect" children, it would be blank. Just do your best...even if there is a hiccup, face it, work through it and keep loving your child.

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