Beach Property Rights - public/private

[scooterbug44]

Re: Private Property Owner's Rights Being Attacked

You just put parking under the building ................seriously though, this is the same scary building they won't be able to get approved, get financing for, or sell off the units in the current inventory heavy market!!!

The issue is people being able to use the beach! Go to the meeting and if you can't, email or call the county commissioners. The voices they are hearing are those of the property owners, so you have to let them hear from YOU! :angry:

 

[scooterbug44]

Re: Private Property Owner's Rights Being Attacked

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What is your opinion on the definition of "the public has used the beach for years"?

My opinion is that if you spent 1/10 of the amount of time enjoying the beach as you do trying to prevent others from using it, your continued use would guarantee you towel/chair space and a view of the sunset!

How exactly is the hideous "public" hurting you by going to the beach?

 

[jodiFL]

Re: Private Property Owner's Rights Being Attacked

This was my response in another thread as to what I am fighting for here

Maam I dont think that you fully understand exactly what is being fought for here regarding the public/private thing. We are not trying to take your property away from you. But with all the development the accesses for the residents that dont live on the beach are approximately 12' wide. They are made to park and walk a long way to get to one of these accesses and then have no where to go but either to the left or right of that small strip but when "Private owners" tell them they cant go past a certain point when they get there it is not customary use of that beach we all claim as ours. As was said before, the county cleans that beach so its not like they are going to trash the beach, if they do our tax dollars pay to clean it. They arent going to come up your walkover and park it on your deck, they are going to stay at the waters edge.But I personally dont like to put my blanket or chair IN THE WATER.

 

[BlueMtnBeachVagrant]

Re: Private Property Owner's Rights Being Attacked

Dumb argument (scare tactic).

If the county racked up millions of dollars in litigation fees, so would the property owners.

BMBV?.you will inevitably follow the path of least resistance and pain ?grudgingly acknowledging the public?s continued access to the beach and opting not to spend millions (apparently) to fight a losing battle.

????.your only hope is to keep trying to wip up some sort of fear in people that public access to the beach will somehow result in 40 story condos, massive overdevelopment and the eventual destruction of SoWal.

Not buying into the scare tactic. Sorry.

Please, don't appologize.

If you can't see what has ALREADY happened up and down 30A when several of the beaches are private (as declared by Walton TDC), then my friend you are just blind if you think that red blooded American (or foreign for that matter) captialists won't take full advantage of this newly opened door called "public" beaches.


Remember, a blind person won't show any fear when he is about to get run over by a truck.


Regarding your warm and fuzzy comment, "...you will inevitably follow the path of least resistance and pain ?grudgingly acknowledging the public?s continued access to the beach and opting not to spend millions (apparently) to fight a losing battle."

Do you think Seaside and Rosemary Beach and Water Color and on and on are going to open their already crowded private beaches to the public? Do you think they'll agree with you against the hundreds and hundreds of their association members? This time I'll let them fight the first battle with the county. You're right, I'm broke. They have much deeper pockets than I do.
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Guys and gals, don't take any of this private vs. public stuff personally. It is a hot button and you'll usually side with whatever side of the railroad tracks you're on. Problem is one day, you'll be on the "other" side on some issue. I've just tried to point out that things are not always black and white.

Of course we all know things definitely won't get resolved on this board so please continue to send happy faces with bouncing hearts to each other.
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[NotDeadYet]

Re: Public's beach rights being attacked

Well guess what? Destin and Panama city use to be just like 30-A, BEFORE THEY MADE THE BEACHES PUBLIC!!!! Developers have stayed away from 30-A because the beaches are private. 30-A is the last horizon in the panhandle.

This is just backwards. The "making public" of the beaches in Destin, which is only a 20ft compromise anyway, came after overdevelopment put so many people on the beaches. People staying in the highrises that were already built.
Or maybe you mean the Destin renourishment which only "made public" the renourished part of the beach that taxpayers paid for.
This cause and effect idea that you have is just bizarre. Never ceases to amaze me what people will believe in an effort to justify their screwy opinions.

 

[BlueMtnBeachVagrant]

Re: Private Property Owner's Rights Being Attacked

My opinion is that if you spent 1/10 of the amount of time enjoying the beach as you do trying to prevent others from using it, your continued use would guarantee you towel/chair space and a view of the sunset!

How exactly is the hideous "public" hurting you by going to the beach?

ScooterBug, with over 1900 posts since May of 2007, it would seem to me that you spend all your time in front of the computer chatting on SoWal. I know it can be addictive !!! Do you ever get a chance to go the beach?

Soooo lets play pretend... if I bring my friends and family, 3 mobile coolers, 2 @ 10 foot square shade tents, play my radio, toss a little trash here and there, allow my little toddler run up and down your garden, grill some hot dogs on my hibachi, etc.....

and do this in your front yard, that you truly still don't see the "hurting" as you put it?

You want something for nothing, and then you dodge a hard core question regarding what constitutes continued public use. I won't give up my property on anyone's whim. Nor would I expect you or anyone else to do the same.

 

[Uncle Timmy]

Re: Private Property Owner's Rights Being Attacked

Please, don't appologize.

If you can't see what has ALREADY happened up and down 30A when several of the beaches are private (as declared by Walton TDC), then my friend you are just blind if you think that red blooded American (or foreign for that matter) captialists won't take full advantage of this newly opened door called "public" beaches.


Remember, a blind person won't show any fear when he is about to get run over by a truck.
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2 can play this game:

If we allow a handful of specific property owners to assert that their property rights trump historical precedent and the common welfare of the majority of the county, then what is to stop property owners/developers from challenging SoWal's restrictive (relative to Panama City) zoning and Building Codes?

Isn’t it arguable that if beachfront property owners assert an exclusive control of their land to the water’s edge than it should be their right to build all the way to the water’s edge? Or as high as they want. It is their property afterall. If the county tells you that you can’t build over 50’ then haven’t they in effect seized control of your property from 50’ and above?

We allow Private Beaches, then we will have 40 story Condos right at the water’s edge all along SoWal's shoreline.

Scare tactic seen, acknowledged……and bettered.

 

[BlueMtnBeachVagrant]

Re: Private Property Owner's Rights Being Attacked

And one more time, I'll ask a question that we all know the answer to....

Has anyone been stopped from going to any of the truly public beaches that exist in Walton County?

"NO you IDIOT!!!...WHAT's YOUR POINT????", I think heard someone say to me.

There are beaches and accesses currently available. It's just everyone off the beach simply wants more.

The letter generated by SWCC just made me shake my head in disgust. No, they wouldn't be happy with the "resolution" that Destin has now regarding the 20 foot distance. SWCC wants the WHOLE damn thing!!! Pretty obvious attempt of trying to set the stakes high and "settling" for the 20 foot thing. Guess what, as Uncle Timmy says, I'm not buying that.

 

[seacrestkristi]

Re: Private Property Owner's Rights Being Attacked

Yeah, what Uncle Timmy said! Are you going to be at the meeting, Uncle Timmy?

 

[scooterbug44]

Re: Private Property Owner's Rights Being Attacked

Soooo lets play pretend... if I bring my friends and family, 3 mobile coolers, 2 @ 10 foot square shade tents, play my radio, toss a little trash here and there, allow my little toddler run up and down your garden, grill some hot dogs on my hibachi, etc.....

and do this in your front yard, that you truly still don't see the "hurting" as you put it?

Nope, feel free to use my yard! You can even use my grill if you bring your own charcoal & lighter fluid. I'll be down at the beach doing therapy for my Sowal addiction .

Seriously, find a spot in my yard that has a 1-2 story drop from the rest of the yard, is accessible by walkways built by the county, is patrolled for safety hazards, is periodically swept away by tropical storms and hurricanes, and has daily trash pickup (fresh bags provided daily too) and I'll buy your beer and provide daycare for the toddler!