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Mango

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Apr 7, 2006
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The word "welfare" is in the Constitution and means
Welfare welfare n. 1. health, happiness, or prosperity; well-being.

Interpret it as you wish.
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Although I have no doubt that food stamps are abused by some people, there are studies that show that the majority of people collecting them are families with children, the disabled and the elderly. I used to shop for an elder woman who received food stamps because she couldn't leave the house, so maybe IBD, that man you saw was doing the same, maybe not.
I used to use her food stamps and also contribute to the bill and buy her better foods not on the list she gave me.

There is evidence to support that adding additional food stamp aide would add stimulus to the economy....


CBO: The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) has rated a temporary increase in food stamp benefits highly for cost-effectiveness, short lag time, and relative certainty about the policy impact. See “Options for Responding to Short-Term Economic Weakness,” CBO (January 2008).
USDA Research : Based on USDA analysis, it is estimated that each $5 of federal food stamp benefits generates nearly twice that in economic activity. See USDA research.
Feldstein: “Liberal economists say boosting food stamps is one of the most efficient ways of pumping money into the economy, an idea surprisingly embraced by GOP economist Martin Feldstein at a Brookings Institution forum on Thursday.” See “Dems Eye Tax Rebates, Fatter Benefits,” by Andrew Taylor, AP, 1/11/08.
Summers: On January 16th, former Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers told the Joint Economic Committee, “On the spending side the measures most likely to be effective are temporary increases in benefits perhaps for the long term unemployed and food stamp recipients.” See his testimony.
Brookings Economists: “Increase in food stamps: Advocates of the proposal, including Brookings Institution economists, say giving food stamp recipients 20 percent more aid for six months could be administered easily and quickly, and would be targeted at families most vulnerable to a recession.” See “Options for Jumpstarting the Economy,” by Heidi Glenn, column accompanying “Economists Examine Stimulus Options,” by Jim Zarroli, NPR, 1/10/08.
Bernanke: In response to strong statements and questioning from Representative Jim McGovern (D-MA),“Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said on Thursday that helping those with low and moderate income could stimulate the economy. ‘There is good evidence that cash that goes to low and moderate income people is more likely to be spent in the near term,’

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As far as the increase in FNMA and Freddie Mac loan limits, it's still yet to be seen how they will price the "jumbo" loans, so I wouldn't get too excited yet. My suspician is that it will just perhaps give a psychological boost to the credit markets, but they will most likely price in the risk.
 
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Jdarg

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I am sure there are plenty of people that take advantage of our welfare and unemployment system, but let's not forget our other welfare mess- farm subsidies. There are lots of wealthy landowners that are not farmers and they are receiving big checks. Cheaters and takers comes from all economic classes and races.

Great info in your post, Mango.
 

goofer

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Feb 21, 2005
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A total election year BS package. Will not create one new job or stimulate the economy. Nancy Pelosi's comments revealed what a true idiot she is, as if she needs to prove it once again.
 

Teresa

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sounds like Bush is trying for a approval rating stimulus:D. this hand out will do little or nothing for the economy and is short term thinking at its very best, IMO. thanks again Dubya! you rock! :roll: (congress too!)


of course I know nothing about economics whatsover. maybe I am completely wrong here. I just don't get how the handout is going to improve our economy in the long term. hey, let's all go blow some more money!! yoo hoooo!!! walmart here we come!!
 

Jdarg

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A total election year BS package. Will not create one new job or stimulate the economy. Nancy Pelosi's comments revealed what a true idiot she is, as if she needs to prove it once again.

Hey Goofer- from the coverage I have seen, Pelosi didn't like the package?
 

NotDeadYet

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It's $300 for individuals who do NOT pay taxes SJ as long as their income tax filed is at least $3K.

Nobody has yet clarifed for me which line on the tax return needs to be 3K.
Earned income, as in wages or self employment? Total income? Adjusted gross income? Taxable income?
I don't deal drugs and I don't get any govt. assistance. My earned income was less than 3K. My total income was way more than that, but the majority consisted of investment income, which is not considered "earned." :bang:
My bottom line taxable income was 0. I wiped out the whole thing, except for some social security tax I did pay, with huge uninsured medical bills which I paid out of pocket and repairs to a rental unit, also paid out of pocket.
Wanna bet I get squat? :sosad:
And even if I wasn't getting squat, I don't like the stimulus package. I don't need another Chinese toaster.
 

InletBchDweller

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Feb 14, 2006
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I would much rather have a check from Citizens. How many identity thieves will get checks? So I'm basicly getting back tax money that was illegaly taken from me in the first place. Thank you FDR!!!! :bang:
Good point about identity thieves. WOnderful. just wonderful, I had not thought of that.

I am sure there are plenty of people that take advantage of our welfare and unemployment system, but let's not forget our other welfare mess- farm subsidies. There are lots of wealthy landowners that are not farmers and they are receiving big checks. Cheaters and takers comes from all economic classes and races.
Jenny, I have to say that is a well stated comment.
Yea!! We agree!!!:love: :clap:


The word "welfare" is in the Constitution and means
Welfare welfare n. 1. health, happiness, or prosperity; well-being.

ALSO:
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(wěl'f?r') Pronunciation Key
n.

  1. <LI minmax_bound="true">
    1. <LI minmax_bound="true">Health, happiness, and good fortune; well-being. <LI minmax_bound="true">Prosperity. <LI minmax_bound="true">Financial or other aid provided, especially by the government, to people in need.
    2. Corporate welfare.
    <LI minmax_bound="true">Welfare work. <LI minmax_bound="true">
    1. Financial or other aid provided, especially by the government, to people in need.
    2. Corporate welfare.
That is where I have a problem when people are not in need....

Interpret it as you wish.
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Although I have no doubt that food stamps are abused by some people, there are studies that show that the majority of people collecting them are families with children, the disabled and the elderly. I used to shop for an elder woman who received food stamps because she couldn't leave the house, so maybe IBD, that man you saw was doing the same, maybe not.
I used to use her food stamps and also contribute to the bill and buy her better foods not on the list she gave me.
Mango, maybe so, I can run with that. However, I have seen that same senerio too many times.

A total election year BS package. Will not create one new job or stimulate the economy. Nancy Pelosi's comments revealed what a true idiot she is, as if she needs to prove it once again.

What a waste of $$ for no econimc stimulus...
Nancy Pelosi, Queen of Idiot :lol:


of course I know nothing about economics whatsover. maybe I am completely wrong here. I just don't get how the handout is going to improve our economy in the long term. hey, let's all go blow some more money!! yoo hoooo!!! walmart here we come!!

:rotfl:I almost could not read this. Maybe I can go and buy some reading glasses with my $$.....
 

elgordoboy

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Feb 9, 2007
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I no longer stay in Dune Allen
Nobody has yet clarifed for me which line on the tax return needs to be 3K.
Earned income, as in wages or self employment? Total income? Adjusted gross income? Taxable income?
I don't deal drugs and I don't get any govt. assistance. My earned income was less than 3K. My total income was way more than that, but the majority consisted of investment income, which is not considered "earned." :bang:
My bottom line taxable income was 0. I wiped out the whole thing, except for some social security tax I did pay, with huge uninsured medical bills which I paid out of pocket and repairs to a rental unit, also paid out of pocket.
Wanna bet I get squat? :sosad:
And even if I wasn't getting squat, I don't like the stimulus package. I don't need another Chinese toaster.
I'll put your name in the hat for the drawing. :wave:
 
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