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goofer

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Hey Goofer- from the coverage I have seen, Pelosi didn't like the package?

Nancy wanted food stamp increases, which is probably a laudable gesture, but has nothing to do with stimulating the economy or creating jobs. Nancy is married to a VERY rich guy so she can afford to be a LIMOSINE LIBERAL with our money. Food stamps will be increased in another bill shortly. I have no problem with this at all. As an aside, when the food stamp program first began in the late 1960's, I was a college student living more than 50 miles from my home. I was elegible to get food stamps !!! Whether I went to the welfare office to get them will remain my secret..;-)..but at the time I was 20 years old, able bodied, employed part-time AND getting $30 a week from the old man. Life sure was easy back in them thar days.
 

Smiling JOe

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The sad thing is that it's not going to change anyone's lifestyle, and there ain't no free lunch -- we'll all eventually pay it back.

I know what you are saying, but for those who didn't pay it in taxes in the first place, it is a mighty-fine free lunch.
 

wrobert

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I know what you are saying, but for those who didn't pay it in taxes in the first place, it is a mighty-fine free lunch.


Doesn't the EIC max out at around $14K annually? These people are not only not paying income taxes, but getting back amounts equal if not more than there FICA and Medicare. Now a rebate. Sort of takes away the incentive to get up in the morning.
 

elgordoboy

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Doesn't the EIC max out at around $14K annually? These people are not only not paying income taxes, but getting back amounts equal if not more than there FICA and Medicare. Now a rebate. Sort of takes away the incentive to get up in the morning.
Sounds like a gravy train. A whole 14k? And now another $600? Outrageous. Where do I sign up for such luxury and life of carefree ease?
 

Smiling JOe

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They may call it a rebate, but a rebate is only given in return of a partial amount of an original payment, and since there was no original payment to the Fed Gov't in many cases, this is not a rebate. It is income redistribution. Also, the burden to pay it back in the future, will also be placed on the people who pay taxes, not the people riding the free wave of Fed handouts.
 

InletBchDweller

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I'll have to start shopping somewhere with less physically attractive women than the San Destin Publix if I am to pay attention to what people are paying with...any suggestions on where the fannies don't look so good and I can go research? (shallow I know but the testosterone will run out soon)

Maybe cross the bridge into PC and go to the grocery outlet. Or just maybe cross the bridge into PC and that is all. It is a different world...
 

SHELLY

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Hold on Buckos...don't cash those stimulus checks so fast--the Senate hasn't spoken:

Senators Consider Rebates for Retirees

By ANDREW TAYLOR – 1 hour ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — Retirees living off Social Security are frustrated that they won't get tax rebate checks through a bipartisan economic stimulus package before the House. Senate Democrats Friday began efforts to include them.

The Senate is also considering an extension of jobless benefits to the $150 billion package of rebates and business tax cuts in a deal wrapped up Thursday between House leaders and President Bush.

Bush urged Congress on Friday to quickly pass the package without any further spending. "I strongly believe it would be a mistake to delay or derail this bill," Bush said.

"I understand the desire to add provisions from both the right and the left," he said, adding that would be an error.

Senate Democrats are refusing to rubber stamp the House measure. That raises the possibility of protracted negotiations if Democrats are successful in adding giving retirees tax rebates, extending unemployment benefits, boosting heating subsidies for the poor and temporarily increasing food stamp payments.

Those are all items floated by top Senate Democrats left out of the negotiations between the administration and House leaders.

They were all considered but tossed overboard in intense talks that produced a hard-won agreement among Bush, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Minority Leader John Boehner.

Their plan would give individual taxpayers up to $600 in rebates, working couples $1,200 and those with children an additional $300 per child. The rebates would phase out gradually for individuals whose adjusted gross income exceeds $75,000 and for couples with incomes above $150,000.
But it would leave out about 20 million senior citizens living chiefly on Social Security. They wouldn't get rebate checks unless they have at least $3,000 earned income or pay income taxes based on other sources such as earnings, interest, investments or private pension plans.

"Less than half of all Americans 65 and older would get it," said AARP spokesman Jim Dau.

It's not clear whether seniors would ultimately be included in the final bill sent to Bush's desk.

The House is planning to pass the measure as early as Tuesday, though Senate debate won't begin until its Finance Committee drafts and votes on an alternative, perhaps on Thursday. That gives the Senate two weeks to pass its bill, reach an agreement with the House and Bush and meet Majority Leader Harry Reid's promise of wrapping it all up by Feb. 15.
At a news conference Thursday, Pelosi, Boehner and Paulson were careful to respect the Senate's right to change the bill.

"This is not going to preclude the Senate from being the Senate and doing what they do," said Boehner.

At the same time, however, the three clearly believe that the Senate will feel enormous pressure to largely stick with the outlines of the Bush-Pelosi-Boehner agreement.

The worry is that the Senate will load up the bill with costly ideas that could provoke a confrontation with Bush and slow down the bill — and delay mailing the rebate checks.

It's particularly risky for Democrats controlling Congress, who might get blamed for any delays. But Democrats vowed the bill will still get sent to Bush's desk within three weeks and they promised not to go overboard.
"Pigs get fat. Hogs get slaughtered," said a top Senate Democratic staff aide. "We're not interested in loading this up."

Much debate centers on whether to extend unemployment benefits for jobless people whose benefits have run out. Some Democrats, such as Rep. Charles Rangel of New York, chairman of the powerful Ways and Means Committee, were livid that unemployment insurance was dropped by Pelosi in end-stage talks on Wednesday.

Senate Democrats appear confident they can muster the 60 votes needed to overcome procedural hurdles in front of efforts to boost unemployment benefits. If unemployment insurance is part of a Senate bill sent back over to the House, Pelosi would face a quandary: Should she stand by her deal with the President or side with the Senate?

Some Democrats think Bush would have a difficult time threatening a veto over unemployment insurance.

The Senate often prevails in its battles with the House, often because once the Senate musters bipartisan support for legislation, their negotiators simply insist that any changes could provoke a minority party filibuster.

But this is one time when the House seems to have the upper hand.
"Boehner told (Pelosi) very early on ... let's try to get something done here that the White House can agree on and so we can thrust it upon the Senate," said a senior House GOP aide. "The unspoken word was that she could jam this down Harry Reid's throat and I think she likes that idea."
 
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Bdarg

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Economic Stimulus? What are your thoughts? I've heard no one mention that they thought the current package working.

I have many thoughts on the subject, but the most simple thought of it is the following. People have overspent, and that has put us where we are now. Now, the gov't wants to give us a few hundred dollars so that we will spend more, but that overspending is what got us here in the first place. So, they are encouraging us to do more of the same in order to change something, and we know where that will go. From what I'm hearing, most people will be using the $300 to put in the bank or make an additional payment to their credit card. I have heard no one saying that they are going to buy a new tv, cell phone, iPod, etc.


I have to agree with you SJ. We, the American people, have over spent and over borrowed and that has gotten us to where our economy is now. We have run out of credit, so now we want to borrow on our children's future earnings. The first bush rebate was a rebate for votes, this one is a rebate for legacy. Both are a loan against our children's future income.

Although I, much as the rest of you, do not like to think about it, I think the economy is in need of a correction. The question is do we endure it now, or do we try to push it off in hopes that our kids get it?

I do not agree with those who say that if given a rebate, then it should only go to those who currently pay taxes should not be shared with those who do not currently pay taxes. I have two problems with those type statements. The first is that this rebate comes not from the current tax payers, but rather from the future tax payers. We are not paying our way as it is, we are borrowing from the Chinese and most of the rest of the world to sustain our life styles. These loans are to be paid by some future generation that we try to forget about. The second is that if the rebate truly is meant to stimulate the economy, then the rebate money needs to go to those who will inject it into the economy and who better than those who will need it for mere sustenance; besides they have children that will be just as likely to be paying those future taxes that are being rebated now. Besides $1200 is more than a month's unemployment benefit, many people need the that help now.
 
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wrobert

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?A democracy is always temporary in nature: it simple cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority will always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship.?

--Alexander Tyler
 
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