Gay Marriage - poll added

[6thGen]

Maybe the problem is that we give too much weight to the Bible and not enough weight to God. There isn't one conservative God and one liberal God. There is just God. More people would be wise to listen to God, rather than reading the Book.

True. We need a 21st century Luther.

 

[seagrovegirl]

(I'm not trying to judge gay peeps and their morality.) I hear this statement fairly often, but I've read the Bible a few times and have yet to read any translation which says that we are not to judge people. I believe I know the passage to which you refer, but if that is the one, the statement is out of context with the Bible. Can you find the passage to which you refer for me? It is my belief that anyone can judge, but he or she should weigh more heavily his or her own self.

Many, many passages..............here are some;

Luke 6:37 Do not judge and you will not be judged, do not condemn and you will not be condemned. Forgive and be forgiven.

Mathew 7:1 Do not judge, or you will be judged.

Isaiah 33:22 For the Lord is our judge, the Lord our lawgiver, the Lord is our King, it is He who will save us.

 

[seagrovegirl]

Maybe the problem is that we give too much weight to the Bible and not enough weight to God. There isn't one conservative God and one liberal God. There is just God. More people would be wise to listen to God, rather than reading the Book.

It all comes back to..."What would God do?" WWJD?

 

[Smiling JOe]

As I thought, those are all taken out of context in which you used the "don't judge others." "Don't judge others," does not stand alone.

 

[elgordoboy]

As I thought, those are all taken out of context in which you used the "don't judge others." "Don't judge others," does not stand alone.

Meaning the consequences are spelled out rather than implied? "Do not judge and you will not be judged" vs "Do not covet thy neighbor's wife"...or else... what?

 

[tofu]

It's all over the Gospels, but the exact verse cited is Matthew 7:1. Following, which I am completely guilty of here is the verse on casting your pearls before swine. The verse is misinterprited often, as it refers to final judgment, which is not ours to make. To take Matthew 7:1 in context, you need to read what follows, criticizing the spec in your brother's eye while failing to notice the beam in your own. Jesus later taught that for those that refuse to listen, it should be told to the church. In I Corinthians, Paul commands the church to "judge" those within the church and remove the wicked.

And specifically says that Christians should not judge those outside the church.

 

[tofu]

Very interesting...I did not know that certain tax excemptions could be revoked because a religion didn't follow the doctrines of our government. Reminds me the era of King Henry the VIII. If the church did not agree with his changes to the bible (so he could divorce his 1st wife) he had the cardinals and bishops poisoned or beheaded. Sounds like blackmail to me. An another note, if a church truly thinks their ways are the way to God, than they can give up their exception and pray for God to provide. Money shouldn't be an issue, especiall the Catholic church.

I have not yet heard of a church losing its tax-exempt status because of its opinion of someone or its refusal to perform a marriage ceremony. If someone can provide a source that says that has happened to a church I would be much more inclined to believe it. The adoption thing is different, IMO.

I do know that churches can have their tax-exempt status taken away for endorsing politicians... but I haven't heard anything about being against homosexuality or not performing a marriage ceremony.

 

[tofu]

As I thought, those are all taken out of context in which you used the "don't judge others." "Don't judge others," does not stand alone.

That doesn't mean that part is not important.

Also, different versions of the Bible say it differently. Here's the NIV:

1"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
6"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.

It doesn't have quite the tone of "don't judge if you're a hypocrite" that some of the other versions do.

 

[NoHall]

All this church talk in the middle of the week has me praying for an s/d/c night.

 

[Matt J]

All this church talk in the middle of the week has me praying for an s/d/c night.

What's stopping you hun? ;-)