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Savethebeach

Beach Comber
Jul 10, 2008
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South Walton
Smiling Joe: I watched the public hearing.....seems to me that most of the homeonwers/landowners are against the ordinance. The abuse of laws to control other people's property and activities is not what America is all about. I side with the land owners that choose to use their own property the way that they expected to be able to when they bought it!
 

Jdarg

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Feb 15, 2005
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Smiling Joe: I watched the public hearing.....seems to me that most of the homeonwers/landowners are against the ordinance. The abuse of laws to control other people's property and activities is not what America is all about. I side with the land owners that choose to use their own property the way that they expected to be able to when they bought it!

Then don't whine when you mistakenly set up your canopy on what you think is public beach - and get your butt kicked to the curb when the "private beach owner" is not amused by your audacity.
 

Savethebeach

Beach Comber
Jul 10, 2008
23
20
South Walton
Lets be realistic here. There are basically two opinions on how the beach is to be used. You have the canopy users (families trying to enjoy the beach by relaxing in the shade, listening to music, reading books, playing in the water, building sand castles, watching kids play and making memories) and the anti-canopy crowd (those that want the beach to be uncluttered at all times with hopes of making a pristine environment for themelves and to save the sea turtle). This anti-canopy crowd may say that daytime canopies are OK, however the reality is that they don't want any large canopies or clutter on the beach. Unfortunately we beach vacationers like to have fun, we like for our children to have fun, we like to take lots of photos of the fun, we like to have fun under our large canopies that can fit several people engaging in all sorts of conversations and drinking all sorts of fun beach drinks. Yes, I said large canopy. Our canopy is large and has sand anchors...it does not blow away! Not even during pre-hurricane winds. My family has been enjoying Florida this way since 1965 when we built a house on the beach. We respect the environment. We respect the locals and other vacationers. We also have always left our canopy, our sailboat, and other items on the beach without ever having a problem. So now what is the problem? The anti-canopy crowd is trying to create their version of Shangri La by putting an end to our large canopy use. They live near a very popular beach and now want to change it. Our canopy is simply too big to bring in every day and set up again each morning. My family will not fit under beach umbrellas or wimpy four pole canopies! This anti-canopy crowd may say that we are disturbing the environment……but as I said before, I respect the environment and never leave trash or other loose items on the beach (actually we take keeping the environment clean very seriously and I often find myself collecting other’s trash, usually from the beach umbrella users that grab up the umbrella and leave cans and bottles behind). We stay away from the turtle eggs and teach our children to do the same. The save-the-turtle crowd needs to put its priorities straight and spend their precious time on a real issue such as the homeless, the hungry children of Africa, slave trade, drug abuse, wife abuse, child abuse or making sure that Obama does not get elected president….there are many to choose from that make saving the turtle seem as insignificant as it really is!

I say America is the great nation that it is today because of our social interactions and creative thinking, a lot of which takes place on vacation…on the beach (under canopies). This is one of the freedoms that make America great, but now there is a law that aids in the obstruction of this freedom. In closing, my family depends on our beach vacation for a time of relationship growth and bonding and I cannot sit back and be threatened by this anti-family(canopy) law without speaking up!
 

Smiling JOe

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Nov 18, 2004
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Smiling Joe: I watched the public hearing.....seems to me that most of the homeonwers/landowners are against the ordinance. The abuse of laws to control other people's property and activities is not what America is all about. I side with the land owners that choose to use their own property the way that they expected to be able to when they bought it!

I think you are confusing, "most of the homeowners/landowners" with the few people who attending the meeting and publicly spoke. I was at the meeting, as were many others, who never spoke on the issue that night, but we are in favor of it. The public hearing was to try and help write the ordinance. If you want to blame someone for the County's requirement to write the policy, blame any one of the Gulf front property owners who built a seawall. In order for the County to apply for a permit from the FL DEP, on the behalf of the seawall owners, the County has to create a HCP (Habitat Conservation Plan), and without it, those property owners would have to remove their seawalls, which were built with only a temporary permit.

As for the few vocal Gulf front owners against it, I guess they would rather have tourists leave all their crap on the beach in front of their house, complete with all of the plastic wrappers and empty cans to be recycled. I don't think they really know how much this ordinance will help keep the beach in front of them free of hazards, for which they, as land owners, are legally liable.
 

Smiling JOe

SoWal Expert
Nov 18, 2004
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Hmmmm wrote: We respect the environment. We respect the locals and other vacationers. We also have always left our canopy, our sailboat, and other items on the beach

Seems like a contradiction. :dunno:
 

Smiling JOe

SoWal Expert
Nov 18, 2004
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Yesterday, I searched a stretch of beach in Seagrove. Out of ten tents, one had people under it, two had not canvas tops, and the remainder were empty, except for crap stored under them. I know of at least three which were removed before dark.
 

Savethebeach

Beach Comber
Jul 10, 2008
23
20
South Walton
As for the few vocal Gulf front owners against it, I guess they would rather have tourists leave all their crap on the beach in front of their house, complete with all of the plastic wrappers and empty cans to be recycled. I don't think they really know how much this ordinance will help keep the beach in front of them free of hazards, for which they, as land owners, are legally liable.


I don't think anyone should be allowed to leave "crap" on the beach....people litter the beach and will continue to do so no matter what ordinances are passed...until you ban the use of the beach altogether!
 

Geo

Beach Fanatic
Dec 24, 2006
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Santa Rosa Beach, FL
Lets be realistic here. There are basically two opinions on how the beach is to be used. You have the canopy users (families trying to enjoy the beach by relaxing in the shade, listening to music, reading books, playing in the water, building sand castles, watching kids play and making memories) and the anti-canopy crowd (those that want the beach to be uncluttered at all times with hopes of making a pristine environment for themelves and to save the sea turtle). This anti-canopy crowd may say that daytime canopies are OK, however the reality is that they don't want any large canopies or clutter on the beach. Unfortunately we beach vacationers like to have fun, we like for our children to have fun, we like to take lots of photos of the fun, we like to have fun under our large canopies that can fit several people engaging in all sorts of conversations and drinking all sorts of fun beach drinks. Yes, I said large canopy. Our canopy is large and has sand anchors...it does not blow away! Not even during pre-hurricane winds. My family has been enjoying Florida this way since 1965 when we built a house on the beach. We respect the environment. We respect the locals and other vacationers. We also have always left our canopy, our sailboat, and other items on the beach without ever having a problem. So now what is the problem? The anti-canopy crowd is trying to create their version of Shangri La by putting an end to our large canopy use. They live near a very popular beach and now want to change it. Our canopy is simply too big to bring in every day and set up again each morning. My family will not fit under beach umbrellas or wimpy four pole canopies! This anti-canopy crowd may say that we are disturbing the environment??but as I said before, I respect the environment and never leave trash or other loose items on the beach (actually we take keeping the environment clean very seriously and I often find myself collecting other?s trash, usually from the beach umbrella users that grab up the umbrella and leave cans and bottles behind). We stay away from the turtle eggs and teach our children to do the same. The save-the-turtle crowd needs to put its priorities straight and spend their precious time on a real issue such as the homeless, the hungry children of Africa, slave trade, drug abuse, wife abuse, child abuse or making sure that Obama does not get elected president?.there are many to choose from that make saving the turtle seem as insignificant as it really is!

I say America is the great nation that it is today because of our social interactions and creative thinking, a lot of which takes place on vacation?on the beach (under canopies). This is one of the freedoms that make America great, but now there is a law that aids in the obstruction of this freedom. In closing, my family depends on our beach vacation for a time of relationship growth and bonding and I cannot sit back and be threatened by this anti-family(canopy) law without speaking up!

I read every post in this thread and despite many distractions from the original issue- I *thought* I was following along until now...

Someone pls help me to understrand-

Wasn't the heart of the discussion (at least initially) about leaving all or part of tents/canopies on the beach overnight?
 
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