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6thGen

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One thing I forgot to mention, Roe did not make late term abortions illegal. It allowed the states to place restrictions on late term abortions. I asked I you were in favor of banning the most shameful of them, which you all said you were not.
 
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Rita

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One thing I forgot to mention, Roe did not make late term abortions illegal. It allowed the states to place restrictions on late term abortions. I asked I you were in favor of banning the most shameful of them, which you all said you were not.
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Maybe you can get by with this if you start a new thread on this topic. maybe



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hnooe

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I for one have found this thread to be one of the better ones of late. And, one in which I received knowledge from both a doctor and a woman's standpoint (both of which I am not). It is one that has cyrstallized a lot of different information on the abortion issue and BAIPA (I did not even know what BAIPA was-thanks 6thGen).

We heard from Liberals and Conservatives, a Doctor, Women (Conservative and Liberal). Thanks to all of you, my viewpoint is now clearer, and I can articulate my own position much better than before.

Heated at times, yes, and not to sound too pollyanna, but I have learned something fom everyone's point of view on this thread!:clap:
 
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InletBchDweller

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I for one have found this thread to be one of the better ones of late. And, one in which I received knowledge from both a doctor and a woman's standpoint (both of which I am not). It is one that has cyrstallized a lot of different information on the abortion issue and BAIPA (I did not even know what BAIPA was-thanks 6thGen).

We heard from Liberals and Conservatives, a Doctor, Women (Conservative and Liberal). Thanks to all of you, my viewpoint is now clearer, and I can articulate my own position much better than before.

Heated at times, yes, and not to sound too pollyanna, but I have learned something fom everyone's point of view on this thread!:clap:
Hnooe2000, I agree with you. I also have learned alot from this thread. I also did not even know what BAIPA was nor had ever heard of it - now I have heard all sides.:wave:
 

rapunzel

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When women have abortions (in weeks from the last menstrual period):


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from guttmacher.org.

Eighty-nine percent of abortions occur in the first 12 weeks of pregnancy, 2004.

Of the 1.1% that occur after the 20th week (18 week gestational age), 92% are to save the life of the mother -- or, more commonly, her reproductive ability in the face a non-viable pregnancy.

The overwhelming majority of cases where BAIPA would come into play is when a woman has an ectopic pregnancy. I think the very earliest a fetus is viable is 24 weeks, and it's basically torture for the child against long odds even at 24 weeks. An ectopic pregnancy usually begins to cause pain and is discovered before the 24th week. I can't imagine why someone would want to legislate this decision and take it away from women and their doctors. These aren't bad women who are irresponsible and cold. I had a close friend in this very situation, and even without having to make the decision of torturing a 21 week fetus to try in vain to keep it alive, when it couldn't have lived much longer before her tube ruptured and it died, she went through a personal hell. This decision came on the heels of a miscarriage, and years of trying for a baby. To think that in the hopes of undermining Roe the pro-life movement would needlessly make people in these situations suffer, leaves me with less respect for the movement.

Not to mention, I've seen the emotional toll it takes on people to be asked to torture these innocent babies for weeks rather than letting them go peacefully with as little suffering as possible.

If all the money poured into the late term pro-life aganda was going to fund research into a breathable fluid to bring 24-28 week pre-term babies through the crucial phase of lung development, we might actually see a few babies saved.

And if you want to prevent abortions, chew on this statistic:
The abortion rate among women living below the federal poverty level ($9,570 for a single woman with no children) is more than four times that of women above 300% of the poverty level (44 vs. 10 abortions per 1,000 women). This is partly because the rate of unintended pregnancies among poor women (below 100% of poverty) is nearly four times that of women above 200% of poverty* (112 vs. 29 per 1,000 women.

I've never understood how the people who want to take away the social safety net are usually often the first to call themselves pro-life.
 

Miss Kitty

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"I've never understood how the people who want to take away the social safety net are usually often the first to call themselves pro-life."...rapunzel

I would like to see this debated in a thread as an issue. Not in an elitist way, but the facts! ;-) Let's talk welfare, educational programs and throwing money away at problems with little to no accountability. I am interested to find out what works! With a child starting a career in social work, I am looking forward to seeing if/when her ideals change. I pray she does not become cynical like her mother did after teaching school in a big city school district. :sosad:
 

6thGen

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Aug 22, 2005
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I GET IT. LATE TERM ABORTIONS ARE RARE.

How many times do you want me to concede it? On a grand scale, most violent crimes are rare. It doesn't change anything.

As for the safety net comment, as I've said before, to the same exact comment, I believe the safety net is best established by the private sector rather than the public. However, it is easier to throw around that comment, attack me personally with a list of "facts" that are completely wrong, and say I don't know what I'm talking about than it is to have an intellectually honest discussion on the topic at hand. I really don't know why I bother.
 

Alicia Leonard

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I GET IT. LATE TERM ABORTIONS ARE RARE.

How many times do you want me to concede it? On a grand scale, most violent crimes are rare. It doesn't change anything.

As for the safety net comment, as I've said before, to the same exact comment, I believe the safety net is best established by the private sector rather than the public. However, it is easier to throw around that comment, attack me personally with a list of "facts" that are completely wrong, and say I don't know what I'm talking about than it is to have an intellectually honest discussion on the topic at hand. I really don't know why I bother.

I really don't want to get in this one, but I would like to ask a question. Why should the private sector establish a net for something the government regulates, such as reproductive choices?
 

30ashopper

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Right here!
I do not support any ban or restriction on any reproduction-related procedure, including late term abortion. All of these decisions are between a woman and her doctor, period. Is that specific enough for you? Please don't be one of those crazies that stalk people that are pro-choice.

In the case of late term abortions, shouldn't the child have some say in the matter? And if the child is unable to speak for his / herself, shouldn't the state speak for them?

The late term argument frustrates me, simply becuase these are children who are regularly born early and live if they are not aborted. I understand it is a rare case, and in a situation where the mother's life is in danger (i'm not talking mental stress here, I'm talking life threatening) aborting the child is an option. But pushing this idea that women should have the right to walk in at the last minute and, for any reason, kill their kid is perposterous.
 

30ashopper

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Right here!
The overwhelming majority of cases where BAIPA would come into play is when a woman has an ectopic pregnancy. I think the very earliest a fetus is viable is 24 weeks, and it's basically torture for the child against long odds even at 24 weeks.

I believe the current standard is 21 weeks. I seem to remember a primi that lived after 21 weeks a year or so ago.
 
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