BAIPA - sleeper issue?

[Jdarg]

jdarg, to start this post let me assure you, being what I consider a moderate Republican, I am Pro Choice. Your responses to 6th Gen are out of line. His questions are legitimate. The point I wish to make is that anyone who resorts to the "ignore" button is only saying I can't counter what you are saying. If you don't want to read or respond to soneone's argument, that is fine but as far as I'm concerned, in debate or discussion the "ignore" button is a piece of crap, not worthy of recognition on this board if freedom of communication is one of the prime objectives.

Andy, 6thGen's job from day one has been to flame and bring up hot topics that he thinks will be fun to turn into trainwrecks. If you haven't figured that one out by now, you haven't been reading enough. He was nipping at me, Bdarg, Scooterbug, and Rapunzel by name, like a little terrier, so yes, the ignore button is a good feature.

 

[Andy A]

Andy, 6thGen's job from day one has been to flame and bring up hot topics that he thinks will be fun to turn into trainwrecks. If you haven't figured that one out by now, you haven't been reading enough.

I read, quite well, thank you and I also form my own opinions and have enough experience and education to consider them valid. 6th Gen presents one definite point of view. You present the opposite point of view. Both of you do it forcefully and with conviction. I happen to think, once again because of my experience and education, that one of you, most of the time is wrong. I'll let you draw the conclusion as to which one it is.

 

[Jdarg]

Let's take this thread to a more productive and educational level.

For real information on birth control, sex education, and how to prevent pregnancy in the first place, here are 2 links that have valuable information.

Planned Parenthood -

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/index.htm

ACLU's Reproductive Freedom Project

http://www.aclu.org/reproductiverights/index.html

Both sites have excellent info on sex education, and I can only imagine how much more effective they could spend less of their budget on fighting the religious right and more on education!

 

[Bdarg]

jdarg, to start this post let me assure you, being what I consider a moderate Republican, I am Pro Choice. Your responses to 6th Gen are out of line. His questions are legitimate. The point I wish to make is that anyone who resorts to the "ignore" button is only saying I can't counter what you are saying. If you don't want to read or respond to soneone's argument, that is fine but as far as I'm concerned, in debate or discussion the "ignore" button is a piece of crap, not worthy of recognition on this board if freedom of communication is one of the prime objectives.

If you are truly Pro Choice, and I take your word that you are, then you know the value of correct and accurate information. 6thgen has a history that goes way before your sign on date of misrepresenting an inflammatory subject and then declaring victory and self righteousness when everyone gives up trying to calmly and clearly get the true and accurate information out.


The goal of all Pro Choice people is to end the need for abortion.

The difference between the two sides is the method by which to achieve this goal. One side wants a lawmaker in Washington to create a law to control every woman's uterus and force her to term no matter what the consequences or circumstances are for either.

The other side wants to eliminate them by providing good, accurate information via sexual education as well as excellent health care for the mother and child.

We all like to think that pregnancy is the result of a loving bond. The reality is that there are brutal rapes, incest, disease and other things total unimaginable to most all of us that take away that pastoral vision.

If every child were happy, healthy, and secure in a loving environment, then I do not think that we would be having this discussion.

All we have tried to do was keep the facts straight, so that healthy education could be achieved.

 

[Mango]

As far as I know, there are no rules on Sowal regarding the use of the ignore button and professing it's use. Whatever gets someone through the day, makes viewing Sowal more pleasurable and stress free, so be it.

The original discussion brought to the table by 6th Gen really had nothing to do with discussing abortion, per se, but a Presidential candidates rationale for nay-saying a Bill. If there is dissension, it's because regardless of whether one is pro-life, somewhere in the middle, or not at all, the appearance to those posting on this thread is it is a far stretch to assume a Presidential candidate is pro-infanticide, when they simply have been trying to protect the constitutionality of Roe vs. Wade. The law is the law.

6th Gen is entitled to his opinions, as is anyone on this board, but to insult those who do not engage him by not wishing to discuss the very topic of abortion, which was not really the original intent of the initial discussion, is wrong.

 

[Rita]

As far as I know, there are no rules on Sowal regarding the use of the ignore button and professing it's use. Whatever gets someone through the day, makes viewing Sowal more pleasurable and stress free, so be it.

The original discussion brought to the table by 6th Gen really had nothing to do with discussing abortion, per se, but a Presidential candidates rationale for nay-saying a Bill. If there is dissension, it's because regardless of whether one is pro-life, somewhere in the middle, or not at all, the appearance to those posting on this thread is it is a far stretch to assume a Presidential candidate is pro-infanticide, when they simply have been trying to protect the constitutionality of Roe vs. Wade. The law is the law.

6th Gen is entitled to his opinions, as is anyone on this board, but to insult those who do not engage him by not wishing to discuss the very topic of abortion, which was not really the original intent of the initial discussion, is wrong.

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Thank you Mango!

I read the earlier posts and decided that the "sleeper issue" was a propaganda ploy intended for those voters who will not look further into Obama's reasoning. Thanks to those of you who have taken the time to refute the " pro-infanticide" smear.

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[Jdarg]

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Thank you Mango!

I read the earlier posts and decided that the "sleeper issue" was a propaganda ploy intended for those voters who will not look further into Obama's reasoning. Thanks to those of you who have taken the time to refuted the " pro-infanticide" smear.

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Thanks Mango, and thanks Rita- your to-the-point and concise analysis of this thread is excellent. I just wish you had posted it on the first page and saved us long winded ones the effort!!

Punzy has a good phrase- "tapping on the glass". Some people glass tap to get attention, others tap to flat out annoy and cause trouble. Lately I have had a few of each tapping on my glass and I really need a big bottle of Windex.;-)

 

[6thGen]

Dargs,
Sorry to step away whilst you have the bit between your teeth, but I'm limited to response via blackberry for a few days, and I'm not taking the time for a more lengthy response on a 2 inch keyboard. You wouldn't recognize a decent argument if you tripped over it in the dark. In an effort to not appear as wrong as an Atlantic hurricane in February, go ahead and read Powe's opinion on Roe. He's the foremost apologist for the Warren Court, and believes the end justified the means in Roe, but study how he defends the Warren Court's dastardly opinion and abandonment of any pretense of interpretating the Constitution. Much like scooterbug's boneheaded and absentminded argument, he argues that the Court was right, only because more affluent women had de facto access to abortion, albeit illegal. Even he can't base it on our governing document. He bases it on Griswold's precedent, yet another example of scotus usurping state powers and ignoring the 9th amendment, aka the inkblot. That's your crux. Great standard to base your argument, professor. That's all off the top of my head, after a few drinks, and I've obviously never read up on the subject so you might really be in trouble if I do. Speaking of creepy, do you always communicate with your spouse (I assume) over internet message boards?

 

[TooFarTampa]

Once again:

Not only do insults do absolutely nothing to elevate an argument, they are not permitted on this site.

 

[30A Skunkape]

You obviously lack the skills and ability to discuss anything in an intellectual manor, so therefore I am stating this a plainly, bluntly and as simply as possible.

Please make note that when "everyone is missing" something that the odds are extremely high that your pompousness is at full throttle and that indeed you are the one "missing" the something. You have been told by a medical doctor, a lawyer, and an ethicist, and numerous other highly intelligent people that are obviously much more functionally literate than you, that you are wrong and your information is completely wrong and irrefutably wrong.

There are no elective late term abortions, for the past 35 years the only ones allowed under federal law are ones that are medically necessary. So how on earth could someone support or not support a procedure as you describe that does not exist, i.e. you cannot have round squares.

Do us all a favor and read the Roe v. Wade?it is most obvious that you have never taken the time to read it or anything about it. Then read the opinions of the justices. (Please dear God have 6thgen take the time to actually inform himself, before he goes bounding off on another tirade.)

The reason for the ?radio silence? is that it has been universally determined by those that choose not to post anymore that you lack the ability to understand any form of simple reason and that you apparently have a skull that is as hard as diamonds and as dense at plutonium.

I am most certain that you have absolutely no idea on earth what any of the above paragraphs, mean, but I will have one hell of a time laughing at you when you try to rebut; which you will.

Thank you in advance for the laugh.

Now back to ?radio silence? and the red herring is still firmly yours.


p.s. please note that in no way shape or form have you been called any names in the above paragraphs.

I think I know who 6th Gen is
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