BAIPA - sleeper issue?

[scooterbug44]

To say the problem doesn't exist is to turn a blind eye to reality. If the problem doesn't exist, and jdarg, this is one for you as well, would you support a ban on elective abortions in the third trimester? What about the first?

Approximately 90% of abortions are performed in the first trimester, 10% occur in the 2nd trimester, and 1% are done in the third trimester. (I didn't cite a specific source because I am not in the mood for a discussion of sources, but since I found the same stats in Fox News articles and on Planned Parenthood sites, I figure I'm okay.)

All legislation like this does is further sensationalize the issue and make it even harder for doctors to provide their patients w/ proper medical care.

 

[6thGen]

You do realize that unless I'm Jack Kerouac, there needs to be a second party for a discussion, right?

scooterbug, would you be ok with banning late term elective abortions? No one wants to answer this question. Less than 1% of white collar workers are convicted of embezzlement. Should that be legal as well, since outlawing or discussing it only sensationalizes the issue and makes it harder for employers and employees to trust one another?

 

[scooterbug44]

No, I most certainly would not!

Just because something is an "elective" procedure doesn't mean it isn't medically necessary or the best course of action is preserving a life.

Obviously any debate about legislating a medical procedure should be honest about the frequency with which it occurs and the circumstances surrounding it.

While partial-birth abortion has great political shock value (most descriptions of medical procedures do), it is rare and is performed because the physical and mental trauma of the other options is greater than with that procedure.

 

[6thGen]

Just because something is an "elective" procedure doesn't mean it isn't medically necessary or the best course of action is preserving a life.

Actually, it does.
An abortion is considered to be therapeutic when it is performed to:
to save the life of the pregnant woman
to preserve the woman's physical or mental health
to terminate pregnancy that would result in a child born with a congenital disorder that would be fatal or associated with significant morbidity
or to selectively reduce the number of fetuses to lessen health risks associated with multiple pregnancy.
An abortion is considered to be elective if it is performed for any other reason.

Obviously any debate about legislating a medical procedure should be honest about the frequency with which it occurs and the circumstances surrounding it.

While partial-birth abortion has great political shock value (most descriptions of medical procedures do), it is rare and is performed because the physical and mental trauma of the other options is greater than with that procedure.

Your argument is that late term elective abortions should be legal because they are rare, right? Help me out here. I just want to be clear before I say that dairy cattle could make better arguments.

 

[6thGen]

I know you all will PM each other that I'm talking to myself here, but when a counter argument sticks, it tends to go quiet. It's pretty damned telling that scooterbug, bdarg, jdarg, and rapunzel give radio silence when I ask if they are against late term elective abortions. Not even a response with caveats. It's shameful and disgusting. Third trimester elective abortions, used as a form of birth control, no matter how rare, should make your stomach turn.

 

[scooterbug44]

You frequently think you have "won" the argument because no one responds, but in reality people just get tired of nitpicking discussions w/ people whose minds are made up.

I specifically said I was for allowing late term abortions - whether they are therapeutic or elective is semantics and beyond my scope as I am not the woman's physician.

There are too many variables and circumstances that can and do occur for us to be legislating medical care, especially since I have yet to see statistics that late term abortions are being used as a major form of birth control.

 

[Rita]

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6th Gen - I think most realize that you just want to keep a "dead" thread alive in the off chance that someone new will notice it.

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[6thGen]

Abortion is not "medical care". Also, I didn't say I won. I said your position was shameful and disgusting.

 

[30A Skunkape]

I know you all will PM each other that I'm talking to myself here, but when a counter argument sticks, it tends to go quiet. It's pretty damned telling that scooterbug, bdarg, jdarg, and rapunzel give radio silence when I ask if they are against late term elective abortions. Not even a response with caveats. It's shameful and disgusting. Third trimester elective abortions, used as a form of birth control, no matter how rare, should make your stomach turn.

I think the radio silence kicked in after the thread devolved (predictably) into a pro vs con abortion mess. You will not change the minds of those you listed, nor will they change yours. All involved can rest easy knowing they are 'right' without debating anonymous strangers in endless loops.

 

[6thGen]

I think the radio silence kicked in after the thread devolved (predictably) into a pro vs con abortion mess. You will not change the minds of those you listed, nor will they change yours. All involved can rest easy knowing they are 'right' without debating anonymous strangers in endless loops.

Not to split hairs, but it went silent when I asked if they'd consent to a ban on late term elective abortions. No one really wants to answer that question. The closest I got was it was rare and therefore unnecessary. I can name a few other things that are rare that result in jail time.