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Teresa

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I'm in Toots. :wave:
I guess factcheck sites are no longer trusted by some, but I think all that needs to happen on a thread like this one is just a link (as someone posted above) for a quick reference in case anyone is interested in finding out what and how such emails read, and exactly how false they are.

such as: snopes

amazing the time and effort people put into such falsehoods to deceive others. unfortunately, it seems to work in many cases.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp
 

kathydwells

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In the first half of 2008, a number of rumors swirling around about presidential candidate Barack Obama coalesced in the claim that he "refused to produce his birth certificate" (as if that were a typical expectation of presidential candidates) because doing so would demonstrate some or all of those rumors to be true: that Barack Obama was "not African," that he was a Muslim with a middle name of Mohammed, that he wasn't born in the United States at all (and thus didn't qualify as a native-born citizen), etc. In any event the rumormongers were likely to be disappointed. Information about religion and race, when it was collected for birth certificates, simply reflected whatever the parents identified themselves to be; those values weren't officially assigned to the newborn children as immutable labels. And of course, no infant has any control over whatever names his parents choose for him.

As things turned out, when the Obama campaign made a copy of his Certification of Live Birth from the State of Hawaii available on the Internet in June 2008, it validated none of those rumors: The certificate shows his full name to be "Barack Hussein Obama II," it lists his father's race as "African" and his mother's as "Caucasian," it contains no information about religion, and it reports his birthplace as being Honolulu, Hawaii.

A number of self-proclaimed experts immediately seized the opportunity to pronounce the certificate a forgery (even though none of them had actually seen the original, just a scanned image of it), picking on such specious details as minor variations from other Hawaii-issued certificates and the lack of an embossed seal and signature. (Some forgery claimants even maintained that the certificate was actually an altered version of one issued to Barack Obama's half-sister, Maya.)

Aside from the inherent absurdity of such claims (i.e., that a major party presidential nominee would risk his entire candidacy on a fraud that could be uncovered simply by a check of state health records), the supposedly incriminating details don't pan out: the certificate is consistent with others issued in the same time and place, and the embossed seal and signature don't show through very well on the scanned front image made available on the Internet because they were applied to the back of the original document, not the front.

In August 2008, Philadelphia attorney Philip Bergincluded claims of a forged certificate (among other rumors) as the basis for a suit in U.S. District Court challenging Barack Obama's eligibility for the presidency on the grounds that Obama was actually born in Kenya
(not Hawaii) and/or subsequently gave up his U.S. citizenship and thus does not qualify as a native-born citizen of the U.S.
 

kathydwells

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supermom262

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I'm only asking because I heard this on Wednesday. I saw the second lawsuit and am asking for the facts.

My only other post I believe, regarding Obama, was his present votes, which was clarifed what present voting meant, although I disagreed with the premise of not taking a stand on an issue. When I heard this comment being made regarding his birth, I saw the lawsuit and then today, the second lawsuit.

My question was if he said he was born in a hospital in Honolulu and he can't remember where, then why isn't there a record?

More importantly, I'm not spreading fear or bigotry, I was asking a question which all Americans have the right to have answered truthfully. That's all.
 
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NotDeadYet

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I am also disappointed that this discussion is even on here.

If Obama was not born in the USA, then it follows that he is a "foreigner", and therefore "not one of us." That is the root fear behind all this crapola. You can figure out for yourself what "not one of us" really means.

If there was a shred of a possibility that this fear-based rumor is true, don't you think the McCain campaign would have filed suit or made the claim themselves? Or Hilary, before the convention, or now for that matter. If Obama got knocked out who do you think would be the Democratic replacement?
Oh, I know, the conspiracy theorists will now think that McCain or Clinton is really behind the lawsuits. :bang:

Anyone who continues to spread this rumor is just allowing themselves to be used by fear-filled people with agendas of their own.

And by the way, my son, who has a Master's degree, has not got a clue what hospital he was born in. I myself don't even remember - and since it was a small hospital in a large city, it may not even be there or even have the same name. I suppose I should check it out, in case he runs for president someday, LOL. Oh, but wait, I suspect nobody but nobody would think to ask that question. After all, he looks like "one of us" and he has a name that sounds like "one of ours." :bang:
 
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