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Cheering472

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no matter how hard you try, you can never get satisfaction seeking revenge. it always backfires on you. iraq and afghanistan are a waste of precious lives and dollars spent seeking revenge over hurt national pride. the perpetrators still live, and we are running in circles bankrupting ourselves.

Which was exactly the result they wanted when they attacked us.
 

hnooe

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no matter how hard you try, you can never get satisfaction seeking revenge. it always backfires on you. iraq and afghanistan are a waste of precious lives and dollars spent seeking revenge over hurt national pride. the perpetrators still live, and we are running in circles bankrupting ourselves.


This is not just a great individual and personal statement or credo... it SHOULD also highlight "what not to do" in regard any strategic military responses in the future. Let us all hope.
 

hnooe

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Which was exactly the result they wanted when they attacked us.

Exactly! Al Qeda says all you need to do is remove the "hinges" on the huge and weighty door of the American economic machine, and you can bring it down quite easily. Immediate "shock and awe," "mission accomplished" are really short sided military approaches for us. The U.S is smarter than that... I hope!
 

30ashopper

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Right here!
no matter how hard you try, you can never get satisfaction seeking revenge. it always backfires on you. iraq and afghanistan are a waste of precious lives and dollars spent seeking revenge over hurt national pride. the perpetrators still live, and we are running in circles bankrupting ourselves.

What would your response to 9/11 have been then?
 

30ashopper

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Right here!
I doubt that the people whose loved ones died on 9/11 and the families who have lost their loved ones in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan will quickly forget; nor, do they consider the last 8 years a "blip in our country's history".

There are things more important than portifolios and jobs IMO.

I never said it was rightous, but I'll stand by what I said. "a blip in our county's history." Our nation as a whole, has a short memory, there's no getting around that fact.
 
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LuciferSam

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no matter how hard you try, you can never get satisfaction seeking revenge. it always backfires on you. iraq and afghanistan are a waste of precious lives and dollars spent seeking revenge over hurt national pride. the perpetrators still live, and we are running in circles bankrupting ourselves.

That's why I'm glad we elected a self-assured president who doesn't appear to have any chips on his shoulder, insecurities, or demons from his past. I firmly believe that the root cause of all war stems from leaders with inferiority complexes and/or vindictiveness. Of course there are times when any country must defend itself, but what we have seen for the last eight years is beyond the pale.
 
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scooterbug44

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What would your response to 9/11 have been then?

Go after the people/terrorist group ACTUALLY involved, send in our special ops, then go on the television and say "these people are terrorists and this is what happens to people who attack the USA and kill innocent civilians", and show the footage of us blowing them up w/ a smart bomb.

Maybe say something about how "they betrayed the teachings of the Koran" to contain any outrage from the Arab world.

Do you think anyone would have objected if we had done that instead of invading Iraq (where Saddam kept Al Queda at bay because they threatened his power BTW)?
 

Bob

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What would your response to 9/11 have been then?
special forces assault on bin laden...the road to him has never been through baghdad or kabul. we will eventually leave afghanistan just as the soviet union did...just as we are leaving iraq....wondering what the hell we are accomplishing by staying.
 

Teresa

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during Bush's interview, this statement bothered me:

-- Most angrily, Bush dismissed "some of the elite" who say he has damaged America's image around the world. "No question, parts of Europe have said that we shouldn't have gone to war in Iraq without a mandate, but those are few countries," he said.

I guess if you are "disappointed" with the job performance of Bush, then you are in the American Elite Club (about 76% of population), but usually an elite group refers to a small dominant group. then, what is an elite American? I heard this from McCain & Palin quite a few times as well referring to "the elite" like this is a despised group of persons. are they referring to people who have completed college? who have a lot of money? who expect their President to be well-spoken and professional in the eyes of the country and world? who live in hollywood? subscribe to the WSJ? eat gourmet food? refrain from spitting in public? have jobs or do not have to work?
 
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GoodWitch58

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during Bush's interview, this statement bothered me:



I guess if we are "disappointed" with the job performance of Bush, then you are an elitist. okay. then, what is an elite American? I heard this from McCain & Palin quite a few times as well. are they referring to people who have completed college? who have a lot of money? who expect their President to be well-spoken and professional in the eyes of the country and world? who live in hollywood?

Tootsie, this has been bothering me all morning. When did speaking proper English; behaving in a respectful, dignified manner; and wanting a good education make one "elite" and when did being "elite" become a bad thing.
When I went to high school and college years ago, a classical education was a goal to be proud of; my parents sacrified a lot so that I could go to school and they always encouraged me to do my best.

Now, I spend many hours each week working with students who are attempting to get a good education--most of them against some tremendous challenges and obstacles. They come to school because they believe that learning proper English and learning to write in an effective way will make their lives better...
they study hard and sacrifice many things to become educated.

Many of them are parents who want more for their children; many are members of the military who want to become more informed and better able to be promoted; many are older people who have raised their families on salaries earned from a minimum wage job, and now that the children are in school, they have started college--in several cases we have parents and children in the same classes!

When they watch the President of the United States speak and behave as he did yesterday...what are they to think? When they ask me about it, what am I to say?

That education is not important; that speaking properly and writing well are not goals they should continue to achieve...because if the do, then God forbid, they become an "elite" American......
 
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