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30ashopper

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Right here!
So are you guys who are so adversely affected by this element of the bill supporting your Small Business Associations to lobby the members of Congress to repeal it?

The ones with the most money often win--but just as often, they win because they are there...when a group of people band together for a common cause, elected members pay attention. And, often, they will pay more attention if the case is made that it's a David and Goliath situation.

If affected people do not participate in the process, then, their voices are not heard. So, if it causes you a problem, band together and make the changes you want to see.

"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. Margaret Mead

They didn't pay attention when 60% of the country said they didn't want Obamacare, why would we expect them to listen now?
 

GoodWitch58

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They didn't pay attention when 60% of the country said they didn't want Obamacare, why would we expect them to listen now?

Well, if it's important enough you'll keep trying...or you'll just complain about it...but, I don't have much patience with people who complain but don't do anything to make a difference.

I worked for three years to get a law passed to require helmets for those who ride bicycles. For two years we got the bill passed, only to have the governor veto it...each year we went back again because it was important. I would have kept on no matter how long it took...

I did the same thing for child care centers and transportation for the disabled, and parity for mental illness; for a consumer advocate for insurance; for more equitable pay for women; for workers compensation laws to be more just....the list goes on and on. None of this happened overnight or even in one legislative session--it takes time, and lots of work and late nights and creative thinking and being able to compromise and outsmart the opponent...
 

30ashopper

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How successful were you both at stopping the Iraq war? Politicians don't pass legislation because the people want it, they pass it because somebody wrote them a check. Complaining doesn't solve the problem, you have to take the power away.
 

AndrewG

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Well, if it's important enough you'll keep trying...or you'll just complain about it...but, I don't have much patience with people who complain but don't do anything to make a difference.

I worked for three years to get a law passed to require helmets for those who ride bicycles. For two years we got the bill passed, only to have the governor veto it...each year we went back again because it was important. I would have kept on no matter how long it took...

I did the same thing for child care centers and transportation for the disabled, and parity for mental illness; for a consumer advocate for insurance; for more equitable pay for women; for workers compensation laws to be more just....the list goes on and on. None of this happened overnight or even in one legislative session--it takes time, and lots of work and late nights and creative thinking and being able to compromise and outsmart the opponent...[/QUOTE]

That's the problem with Congress no one wants to work together. They think it's a game all about them and see each other as opponents rather than listening to the people. Fire the narcissists and get representatives with an honest sense of duty for the people.
 

GoodWitch58

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Well, if it's important enough you'll keep trying...or you'll just complain about it...but, I don't have much patience with people who complain but don't do anything to make a difference.

I worked for three years to get a law passed to require helmets for those who ride bicycles. For two years we got the bill passed, only to have the governor veto it...each year we went back again because it was important. I would have kept on no matter how long it took...

I did the same thing for child care centers and transportation for the disabled, and parity for mental illness; for a consumer advocate for insurance; for more equitable pay for women; for workers compensation laws to be more just....the list goes on and on. None of this happened overnight or even in one legislative session--it takes time, and lots of work and late nights and creative thinking and being able to compromise and outsmart the opponent...[/QUOTE]

That's the problem with Congress no one wants to work together. They think it's a game all about them and see each other as opponents rather than listening to the people. Fire the narcissists and get representatives with an honest sense of duty for the people.
I don't disagree. But, and it's a big "but"--it takes involved, active people to make this happen; and until the majority of the people in this country get involved in a manner that really makes a difference, then anyone who is involved has to play by the rules as they are. Once those who have an "honest sense of duty for the people" are elected, then they will change the rules. The government is not some mysterious, unknown entity--it is us!
 

GoodWitch58

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How successful were you both at stopping the Iraq war? Politicians don't pass legislation because the people want it, they pass it because somebody wrote them a check. Complaining doesn't solve the problem, you have to take the power away.

Of course, no one was successful. But, some people did try--that is more than the majority of the country did.

So, how do you take the power away? One way is to get involved with the system the way it is, and work to change it. It takes more than a few people, it takes a majority of Americans willing to work together for the sake of the country. Another way is a revolution...and that has happened before too.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/memo-to-americas-middle-c_b_686820.html[quote]
s I argue in Third World America, what we need is Hope 2.0: the realization that change will not come from Washi
ngton or from one man; that real change will only come when enough people outside Washington demand it, and make it politically risky to stick to the status quo.[/quote]
But taking on the GOP's deficit hawks by hammering home the idea that job growth outweighs concerns about the deficit is clearly not Obama's natural inclination. So here comes Hope 2.0 -- the people have to make him do it.
 
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gscunn

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Jenny I agree it started way before Obama, I would say with Clinton (whom I voted for once). Ironically when he was in office my husband made the most money.

As for Not paying attention to college, I already have one in college. He will graduate next year, so I am very familiar with the costs. As again we got very little help. (He graduated from High School with Honors with a 3.9 GPA)

I don't blame my daughter's Best friend at all. I know first hand about her father because they have had to stay with us when he was drunk.We have helped her mom and brothers many times. (She attended the same private school as my daughter for very little tuition while we paid 12,000.00 a year).I don't want it to seem like I don't want the same for less fortunate kids, I just get frustrated with people taking advantage of the system, while my husband works very hard every day to support our family and pay our bills.

As you assume that my daughter didn't work as hard as her friend well not true. Her scores and GPA were higher. She is attending a small Christian college in Alabama and they offer very few academic scholarships. Her high school also tried to find scholarships, but we didn't get any. We will manage, but it is hard enough to pay for our on kids and help out everyone else as well.

One of the main reasons I am frustrated with this administration is we have dealt with his so called stimulus jobs. My husband installs water and sewer. We got one of these stimulus jobs. He worked 4 months without the first paycheck. You try paying bills, tuition and keep a company running on that. We just about lost everything that my husband has worked hard to get for 25 years.

This healthcare thing is a joke as well. We live in Tennessee (and own a home in Seagrove as well), so ask anyone here about our great TennCare Ins. Obama's healthcare plan is very similar to TennCare. Just to let you know we pay over 1,200.00 a month for our family (with a high deductible). We also have friends in Canada and they hate the Universal Health Plan they have there.

I don't want anyone to think that I am not a compassionate person. We help people all the time. When the flood happened, my husband took his equipment and help people dig out from all the mud slides that we had here. We also took in a girl this summer because her parents kicked her out of their house and I helped her get into college.

I agree with everyone that you should help the less fortunate, I just feel like the government should stop taking from small business owners and distributing the money to people who don't want to work. My husband is in construction and we see this all the time. It is like my 90 year old grandfather said "People don't work like they use too and everyone wants something for nothing". This man fought for our country in WWII and is a democrat for all of you that think I am a stout Republican. I have voted both ways(we have a great democratic governor). After doing my homework, I believe democrats are all about handouts to certain people, but who helped us when we were having a tough time (we are still trying to get out of this mess). :dunno:
 

Geo

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Jenny I agree it started way before Obama, I would say with Clinton (whom I voted for once). Ironically when he was in office my husband made the most money.

As for Not paying attention to college, I already have one in college. He will graduate next year, so I am very familiar with the costs. As again we got very little help. (He graduated from High School with Honors with a 3.9 GPA)

I don't blame my daughter's Best friend at all. I know first hand about her father because they have had to stay with us when he was drunk.We have helped her mom and brothers many times. (She attended the same private school as my daughter for very little tuition while we paid 12,000.00 a year).I don't want it to seem like I don't want the same for less fortunate kids, I just get frustrated with people taking advantage of the system, while my husband works very hard every day to support our family and pay our bills.

As you assume that my daughter didn't work as hard as her friend well not true. Her scores and GPA were higher. She is attending a small Christian college in Alabama and they offer very few academic scholarships. Her high school also tried to find scholarships, but we didn't get any. We will manage, but it is hard enough to pay for our on kids and help out everyone else as well.

One of the main reasons I am frustrated with this administration is we have dealt with his so called stimulus jobs. My husband installs water and sewer. We got one of these stimulus jobs. He worked 4 months without the first paycheck. You try paying bills, tuition and keep a company running on that. We just about lost everything that my husband has worked hard to get for 25 years.

This healthcare thing is a joke as well. We live in Tennessee (and own a home in Seagrove as well), so ask anyone here about our great TennCare Ins. Obama's healthcare plan is very similar to TennCare. Just to let you know we pay over 1,200.00 a month for our family (with a high deductible). We also have friends in Canada and they hate the Universal Health Plan they have there.

I don't want anyone to think that I am not a compassionate person. We help people all the time. When the flood happened, my husband took his equipment and help people dig out from all the mud slides that we had here. We also took in a girl this summer because her parents kicked her out of their house and I helped her get into college.

I agree with everyone that you should help the less fortunate, I just feel like the government should stop taking from small business owners and distributing the money to people who don't want to work. My husband is in construction and we see this all the time. It is like my 90 year old grandfather said "People don't work like they use too and everyone wants something for nothing". This man fought for our country in WWII and is a democrat for all of you that think I am a stout Republican. I have voted both ways(we have a great democratic governor). After doing my homework, I believe democrats are all about handouts to certain people, but who helped us when we were having a tough time (we are still trying to get out of this mess). :dunno:

I know it's none of my business and I guess that's the point I'm making in saying-

Hopefully you're anonymous on here or no one could ever trace this thread back to your daughter's friend (especially her). Lots of her dirty laundry being aired. The online world is a small one too.

:dunno:
 

scooterbug44

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May 8, 2007
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I must say that for all of the hysteria about Obamacare, all I have heard so far (and I know it is early stages) from people experiencing the changes firsthand is positive.

And I am very tired of hearing how someone is being shortchanged just because someone else gets something - usually as a trade off for them working hard, not a handout.

Being poor or a minority may make you eligible or give you an edge for a scholarship, but you won't GET it unless you have worked your butt off to get good grades.

There are merit based scholarships and there are need based scholarships.

It can be frustrating when it seems like working hard and not having debt work against you - Papa Scooterbug said that if he had known how the financial aid system worked he would have bought everyone in the family a new car on credit before I applied for aid.

Why do you expect others to pay for your daughter's education if you are able to do so? Isn't that what you are complaining about? People getting perks from the government when they don't need the money?

My guess is that the reason your daughter didn't get that scholarship was that $12k a year in school fees and a 2nd beach home didn't exactly demonstrate a greater need than the other candidates. :roll:
 

Jdarg

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Feb 15, 2005
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I must say that for all of the hysteria about Obamacare, all I have heard so far (and I know it is early stages) from people experiencing the changes firsthand is positive.

And I am very tired of hearing how someone is being shortchanged just because someone else gets something - usually as a trade off for them working hard, not a handout.

Being poor or a minority may make you eligible or give you an edge for a scholarship, but you won't GET it unless you have worked your butt off to get good grades.

There are merit based scholarships and there are need based scholarships.

It can be frustrating when it seems like working hard and not having debt work against you - Papa Scooterbug said that if he had known how the financial aid system worked he would have bought everyone in the family a new car on credit before I applied for aid.

Why do you expect others to pay for your daughter's education if you are able to do so? Isn't that what you are complaining about? People getting perks from the government when they don't need the money?

My guess is that the reason your daughter didn't get that scholarship was that $12k a year in school fees and a 2nd beach home didn't exactly demonstrate a greater need than the other candidates. :roll:

I am also wondering if the child had chosen a school other than a "small Christian college in Alabama" if the scholarship situation would have been different. There are lots of grants and scholarships available out there, but I imagine the endowment of a small private Christian college is very limited.
 
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