Neighborhood Electric Vehicles

[robertsondavies]

Uhm. In earlier posts, you said 48 Legislatures. You also cited the Sierra Club, which proved false. You seem to be rapidly losing supporters that you may have never had to begin with...

Sierra Club supports expansion of LSVs, and NEV's ... google it for god sakes

and you're quibbling about 46 or 48 legislatures, you don't see the point do you. That many democrats and republicans miraculously have agreed on this, given exhaustive investigation, committees and facts. You are funny.

 

[robertsondavies]

30 A is not a closed neighborhood. It's a number of neighborhoods strung together. LSVs might be appropriate in and around some but not all of those neighborhoods. They may not be capable of inflicting the same damage as some other vehicles, but that doesn't make them safe, especially for the occupants. This article sums it up.
Taking the slow lane by storm: Insurance for low-speed vehicles

and I quote from Lucifer's article linked here. ( oh, but I forgot, why should I quote this article that Lucifer quotes, when GEO the great has dismissed the arguments as "weak")
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Many people buy LSVs because they are cheaper and conserve energy. As a greener method of transportation, LSVs often qualify for a $2,500 tax credit from the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009, as well as additional incentives from certain states. For instance, California offers a tax incentive of up to $1,350 on certain LSV models."

 

[robertsondavies]

IMO the only "good" things about a LSV on 30-A are that it gets better mileage than many SUVs and takes up less space when parked properly.

That is all.

From a traffic, infrastructure, usage, and especially safety standpoint I think they are VERY bad.
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OK, so when do you make your presentation in Tallahassee to rollback Florida's LSV law? what about the other 45 states - take your strong arguments against on the road. I'm sure Car Makers like GM were on the road already, when these were debated over the last decade. Guess they really could have used you and GEO telling everyone anecdotally that you "think" that LSV's are very unsafe, and "infrastructure unfriendly" LOL

 

[LuciferSam]

and I quote from Lucifer's article linked here. ( oh, but I forgot, why should I quote this article that Lucifer quotes, when GEO the great has dismissed the arguments as "weak")
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Many people buy LSVs because they are cheaper and conserve energy. As a greener method of transportation, LSVs often qualify for a $2,500 tax credit from the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009, as well as additional incentives from certain states. For instance, California offers a tax incentive of up to $1,350 on certain LSV models."

True, a bunch of people with poor judgment think that the benefits of these vehicles is worth the high risk of suffering serious injury should an accident occur. The paragraph you quote merely states why these vehicles appeal to some people, not that much rational thought has gone into the matter. A few thousand dollars isn't enough to make me want to get out on the road with one of these things and mingle with the big boys in real crashworthy vehicles.

 

[robertsondavies]

the amazing thing here really, is that these "weak" environmental & safety arguments won the day in 46 state legislatures in a country where we can't agree on much ???



hmmmmm

 

[scooterbug44]

If you actually read any of the articles we posted, you will see that the various safety groups criticize the legislatures because they are allowing LSVs in many unsafe areas.

The people who do crash tests and write insurance policies for a living think they are dangerous and shouldn't be on our roads.

Politicians have signed off because they don't see the harm and they get $ from lobbyists.

You act like there was a massive campaign across 46 states to specifically allow LSVs. The reality is that they are a tiny percentage of vehicles enjoying loopholes and a lack of oversight.

Most legislators couldn't pick one out of a police line-up.

 

[Rita]

Last month the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety came out against these vehicles being on busy roads with other traffic:


"News Release | May 20, 2010
Low-speed vehicles and minitrucks shouldn't share busy public roads with regular traffic

ARLINGTON, VA ? More states are allowing a relatively new breed of vehicle on public roads, but crash tests by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety show why the mix of low-speed vehicles (LSVs) or minitrucks and regular traffic is a deadly combination. LSVs are designed for tooling around residential neighborhoods, and minitrucks are for hauling cargo off-road. While these vehicles have a lot of appeal as a way to reduce emissions and cut fuel use, they don't have to meet the basic safety standards that cars and pickups do, and they aren't designed to protect their occupants in crashes."

Link to the whole release: IIHS news release

Thanks for the link.

The good news about Electric Vehicles is that used ones will be really, really cheap. According to this study in the UK, a five year old EV will only have about 10% of its initial value.

That's major depreciation!

I think you will find our disgust with NEVs and their safety issues matches our delight with road safe hybrid and electric vehicles.

We love the technological advances (and a solar power plant is being built in Walton) and are strong on conservation, just worried about safety.

This horse is beyond dead... I'll bring up my favorite point: do you really want the firetruck that is coming to save your house, or the ambulance that is going to save your granny from a heart attack, to be trying to manuever around a herd of golf carts meandering at 15mph?

hmmm - could reviving the "dead horse" be a way to bump a thread for promotional purposes?..:scratch:

If you want to prove your environmental cred, order up a Nissan Leaf like Dave did, or cruise over to PC and buy yourself a Volt. I still believe the whole electric golf cart/speed limit thing is about people who want to sell them wanting the county to enable their ambition by lowering the speed limit. They profit, we suffer.

Yeppers - nr light, Natalie at Ecco Motors, is practicing creative marketing on us! Problem is .... I would want to deal with someone I trusted to be honest and forthright with information. That hasn't proven to be the case here. nr light could have identified herself as being associated with an LSV company, presented her links and information, and been considered an agent who believed in her product enough to try to promote it. BUT instead she chose to sneakily make her case for LSVs while hiding her association. That is unfortunate.
TreeFrog - you were spot on with your observation!

http://www.sowal.com/bb/long-term-rentals/49420-seagrove-beach.html#post684956



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[Geo]

RDavies, I'd like to ask you to stop mentioning me by name in your posts. I have been done posting here many times in the last couple days and you continue to egg me on by sarcastically calling me Geo the Great, by intentionally (or ignorantly) mischaracterizing my posts, etc. All of this says more about you than it does me.

So how's about you let it go already, would ya? I'm starting to think you have a crush on me. Seriously- I'm just not that into u.

 

[30A Skunkape]

RDavies, I'd like to ask you to stop mentioning me by name in your posts. I have been done posting here many times in the last couple days and you continue to egg me on by sarcastically calling me Geo the Great, by intentionally (or ignorantly) mischaracterizing my posts, etc. All of this says more about you than it does me.

So how's about you let it go already, would ya? I'm starting to think you have a crush on me. Seriously- I'm just not that into u.

I'm thinking he sees you rolling off the lot in a sweet 2011 golf cart with the Hummer shell option. :roll:

 

[robertsondavies]

If you actually read any of the articles we posted, you will see that the various safety groups criticize the legislatures because they are allowing LSVs in many unsafe areas.

i guess their arguments were weak, as compared to the 'various' groups who say that they are safer?
The people who do crash tests and write insurance policies for a living think they are dangerous and shouldn't be on our roads.

they "think" they are dangerous, because they'd like to charge a rate someday, that comes anywhere close to an SUV for liability, although the problem is, the competitor insurance companies gladly write it as a couple hundred dollar add on, b/c they know the risks of real boddily injury are low.
Politicians have signed off because they don't see the harm and they get $ from lobbyists.

so you're saying the golf cart lobby is more powerful than the auto lobby... and not only that, you're saying that's the case in 46 legislatures
You act like there was a massive campaign across 46 states to specifically allow LSVs. The reality is that they are a tiny percentage of vehicles enjoying loopholes and a lack of oversight.

if logic gets me jumped on like Shelly in 2006 by the powers on Sowal that be, that so be it.

Most legislators couldn't pick one out of a police line-up.

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