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We do tend to complicate the issue. There are good reasons for the separation of Church and State or Religion and Politics and I think most people agree on that. What crept into this debate is the fear of a society that will not allow the free practice of religion. There is no basis for this fear. Individuals should be allowed to practice their religion. Politicians should avoid mixing religion with politics. How does that statement threaten our freedom to practice religion. Rick Perry is a politician. Prayer is part of the practice of religion. IMO if Rick Perry was being sincere about his religion then he would not want to mix the two together. Why would he? What would be the purpose? If Rick Perry has another purpose then this makes for an attractive political cocktail for votes. I think this event makes him look very insincere as for as religion goes. It may be just another example of a politician taking themselves too seriously...

No one has proposed to begin a state religion or force anyone to worship in a way they do not choose to. Liberals wish to remove any public displays of faith. Governor Perry has every right to worship as he pleases. His being goveror is a fact, no more and no less.
 

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Perry Early life

A fifth-generation Texan, Perry was born in Paint Creek, about 60 miles (97 km) north of Abilene in West Texas, to ranchers Joseph Ray Perry and the former Amelia June Holt. His father, a Democrat, was a long-time Haskell County commissioner and school board member. Perry graduated from Paint Creek High School in 1968. As a child, Perry was in the Boy Scouts (BSA) and earned the rank of Eagle Scout; his son, Griffin, would also later become an Eagle Scout.[9][10] The BSA honored Perry with the Distinguished Eagle Scout Award.[11]
Perry attended Texas A&M University, where he was a member of the Corps of Cadets, a member of the Alpha Gamma Rho fraternity and one of A&M's five yell leaders (a popular Texas A&M tradition analogous to male cheerleaders).[12] He interned with the Southwestern Company during the summer time as a door-to-door book salesman where he honed his communication skills.[13] Perry graduated in 1972 with a degree in animal science. While at Texas A&M University Perry successfully completed a static line parachute jump at Ags Over Texas (a United States Parachute Association dropzone), the dropzone that was then in operation at Coulter Field (KCFD) in Bryan, Texas, just north of Texas A&M (in College Station, Texas).
Upon graduation, he was commissioned in the United States Air Force, completed pilot training and flew C-130 tactical airlift in the United States, the Middle East, and Europe until 1977. He left the Air Force with the rank of captain, returned to Texas and went into business farming cotton with his father.
In 1982, Perry married Anita Thigpen, his childhood sweetheart whom he had known since elementary school. They have two children, Griffin and Sydney. Anita Perry attended West Texas State University and earned a degree in nursing. She has spearheaded a number of health-related initiatives such as the Anita Thigpen Perry Endowment at the University of Texas Health Science Center San Antonio, which focuses on nutrition, cardiovascular disease, health education, and early childhood programming.
Perry has said that his interest in politics probably began in November 1961, when his father took him to the funeral of Sam Rayburn, who during his long public career served as speaker of the Texas House and the U.S. House of Representatives. Dignitaries from all over the nation came to the small town of Bonham, the seat of Fannin County, for the service.
 

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a bachelor's in animal science
 

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Idlewild I consider myself a moderate (not moderate conservative or moderate liberal) and I would never vote for a politician that has the propensity to "divide" society. You are misinformed if you believe that only "liberals" have a problem with this. I try to vote for the canidate that has a better grasp of the issues and with a committment to unite our country. We need leaders who will unite all members of society regardless of faith and religion. If you can not see the destructive element of that prayer service then there is nothing else to say. I do wish religion would stop using fear to control it's members (maybe then I would go back to church) Good luck to Mr. Perry's political career but better luck to all the rest of society...
 
Idlewild I consider myself a moderate (not moderate conservative or moderate liberal) and I would never vote for a politician that has the propensity to "divide" society. You are misinformed if you believe that only "liberals" have a problem with this. I try to vote for the canidate that has a better grasp of the issues and with a committment to unite our country. We need leaders who will unite all members of society regardless of faith and religion. If you can not see the destructive element of that prayer service then there is nothing else to say. I do wish religion would stop using fear to control it's members (maybe then I would go back to church) Good luck to Mr. Perry's political career but better luck to all the rest of society...

We appear to have a real disconnect in this discussion. I am staunchly in favor of freedom of religion and the rights of everyone to worship how they want and say what the want. That includes Governor Perry. I also prefer leaders with a grasp of the issues and a commitment to the country. People of differing faiths and beliefs can have very similar political views. The flipside is also true. I know people who believe many of the same things I do regarding faith that have vastly differing political views from me. That is ok, if we were all alike this would be a boring world.

I do not agree with you regarding "division" in politics. I prefer individuals who are strong in their principles. If you are strong in your belief system you are naturally going to be reluctant to compromise on those beliefs. I am ok with that. What I view as destructive to our country are those who believe in nothing at their core and will say or do anything to gain power through a political office. Unfortunately we have many of those in office from our local governments right on through state and national offices. Give me a dedicated liberal any day over a wishy-washy conservative.

Finally, I do not view this prayer meeting as "destructve." It is a private event and no one is required to attend. If I were in Houston I doubt I would attend and cannot see any way the event would effect me or my life. The only reason anyone has an issue with it is because of who the sponsor is and the fact that Perry is a conservative politician. I simply cannot see how a politician appearing at an event has any effect on my life except for the fact that you are known by the company you keep. If Perry were appearing at an ACLU event I would feel the same way. The knowledge would make me less likely to vote for him but otherwise I could care less. He is an individual and has every right to associate with whom he chooses.
 

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We appear to have a real disconnect in this discussion. I am staunchly in favor of freedom of religion and the rights of everyone to worship how they want and say what the want. That includes Governor Perry. I also prefer leaders with a grasp of the issues and a commitment to the country. People of differing faiths and beliefs can have very similar political views. The flipside is also true. I know people who believe many of the same things I do regarding faith that have vastly differing political views from me. That is ok, if we were all alike this would be a boring world.

I do not agree with you regarding "division" in politics. I prefer individuals who are strong in their principles. If you are strong in your belief system you are naturally going to be reluctant to compromise on those beliefs. I am ok with that. What I view as destructive to our country are those who believe in nothing at their core and will say or do anything to gain power through a political office. Unfortunately we have many of those in office from our local governments right on through state and national offices. Give me a dedicated liberal any day over a wishy-washy conservative.

Finally, I do not view this prayer meeting as "destructve." It is a private event and no one is required to attend. If I were in Houston I doubt I would attend and cannot see any way the event would effect me or my life. The only reason anyone has an issue with it is because of who the sponsor is and the fact that Perry is a conservative politician. I simply cannot see how a politician appearing at an event has any effect on my life except for the fact that you are known by the company you keep. If Perry were appearing at an ACLU event I would feel the same way. The knowledge would make me less likely to vote for him but otherwise I could care less. He is an individual and has every right to associate with whom he chooses.
the very discussion of religion is divisive. politicians should not engage in it. suppose obama would say he had converted to islam, and talked incessantly of it. would you be happy that he would be strong in his beliefs. religion in all it's manifestations is best left out of the media.
 

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Idlewild I consider myself a moderate (not moderate conservative or moderate liberal) and I would never vote for a politician that has the propensity to "divide" society. You are misinformed if you believe that only "liberals" have a problem with this. I try to vote for the canidate that has a better grasp of the issues and with a committment to unite our country. We need leaders who will unite all members of society regardless of faith and religion. If you can not see the destructive element of that prayer service then there is nothing else to say. I do wish religion would stop using fear to control it's members (maybe then I would go back to church) Good luck to Mr. Perry's political career but better luck to all the rest of society...
there is no room at the inn for you according to the bubbapublicans.
 
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