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An Inconvenient Truth
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I would be there but I can't. I'm not against discussions on being green. We need more of it but my point to ALL is Don't believe everything you see and hear. Become a conscience being. I don't need a Mr. Moore/ Gore Movie to help me be a better responsible person. It's their hypocrisy I feel I must point out ( private jets being an easy example).
I'm as sure we're killing this planet as I'm sure we live in a dynamic universe. Global warming occurs naturally as global cooling. We can do plenty to limit our impact but we don't. Beacause ,as I see it, as a society we're too fat and lazy to care.
Our politicains are getting fat and rich from corporate lobbyists while we suffer for it. I'm awful tired of hearing politicians and Hollywood tell us whats best. And too many people eat it up like it's a value meal. Best selling Mag in America...People. Genius. They want us to be stupid,fat and lazy. Too many of US lie,cheat,steal our way through life. Ouch the truth hurts. But I'm attacked for pointing out the obvious. I'm certainly not sorry for pointing it out either. We can't handle the Truth. We need a Conveinent Solution cause that's what our lives have become about Conveinence.
Be it W., Hillary,Gore,Moore or whomever, they are a fraud.Public service is gone. Congress could do something for us all but never will. Give back their lifetime pensions. Vote themselves a reduction in pay. But no way they will cause it's about them. Not you or me or whats best for the best country in the World.
Until then I will be somewhat angry and cynical. Otherwise I'd be unconscience.
Peace and again just stirring the Pudding.
I'm as sure we're killing this planet as I'm sure we live in a dynamic universe. Global warming occurs naturally as global cooling. We can do plenty to limit our impact but we don't. Beacause ,as I see it, as a society we're too fat and lazy to care.
Our politicains are getting fat and rich from corporate lobbyists while we suffer for it. I'm awful tired of hearing politicians and Hollywood tell us whats best. And too many people eat it up like it's a value meal. Best selling Mag in America...People. Genius. They want us to be stupid,fat and lazy. Too many of US lie,cheat,steal our way through life. Ouch the truth hurts. But I'm attacked for pointing out the obvious. I'm certainly not sorry for pointing it out either. We can't handle the Truth. We need a Conveinent Solution cause that's what our lives have become about Conveinence.
Be it W., Hillary,Gore,Moore or whomever, they are a fraud.Public service is gone. Congress could do something for us all but never will. Give back their lifetime pensions. Vote themselves a reduction in pay. But no way they will cause it's about them. Not you or me or whats best for the best country in the World.
Until then I will be somewhat angry and cynical. Otherwise I'd be unconscience.
Peace and again just stirring the Pudding.
Just a point of clarification, Mr. Moore is not associated with An Inconvenient Truth
The problem I see with this particular type of movie is the lack of a presentation of the opposite view which still exists in the scientific comunity. Consider the movie by Oliver Stone, JFK, which made up it's own facts based on the application of "artistic license" and being exposed as such. That film is still the foundation for the belief by most Americans, according to various polls, that JFK was assasinated via conspiracy and not by Oswald. Yet if you ask anyone of those who believe this conspiracy theory if they have ever read the Warren Commision report you usually get a befuddled look. Point being that a theatrical presentation will always trump any detailed research or opposing view points that need to be explored before making such a conclusion.
Do a search of Global Cooling and you will find opinions, charts etc that have presented this opposite point of view in the past. I wish I could locate the Time and Newsweek articles from the 1970s that discussed Global Cooling being the paramount climate problem of the time. This link mentions this "old theory" briefly: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15391426/site/newsweek/
The question one needs to ask is how can scientists from one era be completely at odds with the latest point of view. Were they completely wrong then or now or is the answer somewhere in between?
I will see the movie someday, but I plan to look at it with a great deal of skepticism, as it is a Hollywood presentation, which we know generally distorts facts for effect and the lack of credibility by the presenter (Al Gore who has made up some off the wall fabricated nonsense in the past--Did I say I invented the Internet? )
Do a search of Global Cooling and you will find opinions, charts etc that have presented this opposite point of view in the past. I wish I could locate the Time and Newsweek articles from the 1970s that discussed Global Cooling being the paramount climate problem of the time. This link mentions this "old theory" briefly: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15391426/site/newsweek/
The question one needs to ask is how can scientists from one era be completely at odds with the latest point of view. Were they completely wrong then or now or is the answer somewhere in between?
I will see the movie someday, but I plan to look at it with a great deal of skepticism, as it is a Hollywood presentation, which we know generally distorts facts for effect and the lack of credibility by the presenter (Al Gore who has made up some off the wall fabricated nonsense in the past--Did I say I invented the Internet? )
I will see the movie someday, but I plan to look at it with a great deal of skepticism, as it is a Hollywood presentation, which we know generally distorts facts for effect and the lack of credibility by the presenter (Al Gore who has made up some off the wall fabricated nonsense in the past--Did I say I invented the Internet? )[/QUOTE]
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For Seacliffs and BeachSteelers and others of the Global Warming skeptical camp, I want to urge you to give Al Gore a small break. I'm pretty much with you most of the time. The man is stiff, preachy and was a terrible presidential candidate - but I don't think he is a liar. Check out what the urban legends site Scopes.com says about the alleged "I invented the internet" quote.
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp
Al Gore, for all his imperfections, does not deserve to be bunched with Oliver Stone and Michael Moore. Either of them would have made the movie much more entertaining (and slanted).
In fact I found "An Inconvenient Truth" rather tedious - I couldn't watch the whole thing. But the FACTS presented are hard to ignore. My kids checked it out at Blockbuster and sat me down. Be open-minded.
Best to all.
Not sure how to do the quote thing - sorry.
For Seacliffs and BeachSteelers and others of the Global Warming skeptical camp, I want to urge you to give Al Gore a small break. I'm pretty much with you most of the time. The man is stiff, preachy and was a terrible presidential candidate - but I don't think he is a liar. Check out what the urban legends site Scopes.com says about the alleged "I invented the internet" quote.
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp
Al Gore, for all his imperfections, does not deserve to be bunched with Oliver Stone and Michael Moore. Either of them would have made the movie much more entertaining (and slanted).
In fact I found "An Inconvenient Truth" rather tedious - I couldn't watch the whole thing. But the FACTS presented are hard to ignore. My kids checked it out at Blockbuster and sat me down. Be open-minded.
Best to all.
Not sure how to do the quote thing - sorry.
For Seacliffs and BeachSteelers and others of the Global Warming skeptical camp, I want to urge you to give Al Gore a small break. I'm pretty much with you most of the time. The man is stiff, preachy and was a terrible presidential candidate - but I don't think he is a liar. Check out what the urban legends site Scopes.com says about the alleged "I invented the internet" quote.
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp
Al Gore, for all his imperfections, does not deserve to be bunched with Oliver Stone and Michael Moore. Either of them would have made the movie much more entertaining (and slanted).
In fact I found "An Inconvenient Truth" rather tedious - I couldn't watch the whole thing. But the FACTS presented are hard to ignore. My kids checked it out at Blockbuster and sat me down. Be open-minded.
Best to all.[/quote]
Very well put Searcher. Hard for any of "us" to judge something we have not even seen.
I saw it when it premiered at the barely reopened Canal Place Theatre in New Orleans. Maybe it was the crowd, but I found it remarkably moving. Watching that movie, in that city, at that time was an experience I'll never forget.
The movie didn't really seem offer up a lot of opinion...it was fact, backed up by scientific evidence. My brother, a geologist who is conservative and works for a big oil company, even vouched for the authenticity of ice core sampling. As he put it, no objective scientists really doubt global warming at this point.
Al Gore is an easy target, but maybe it would be more productive to use some of this energy to scour the internet looking for academic/scientific information that debunks his points about CO2 levels, the effect of CO2 levels on the temperture of the Earth, and the effects of increased temperatures on weather patterns. And as for private jets, he makes a point about buying carbon credits to offset the travel he does giving the lecture.
Seriously, even the current administration is now admitting global warming exists and that consequently polar bears are now a threatened species.
The movie didn't really seem offer up a lot of opinion...it was fact, backed up by scientific evidence. My brother, a geologist who is conservative and works for a big oil company, even vouched for the authenticity of ice core sampling. As he put it, no objective scientists really doubt global warming at this point.
Al Gore is an easy target, but maybe it would be more productive to use some of this energy to scour the internet looking for academic/scientific information that debunks his points about CO2 levels, the effect of CO2 levels on the temperture of the Earth, and the effects of increased temperatures on weather patterns. And as for private jets, he makes a point about buying carbon credits to offset the travel he does giving the lecture.
Seriously, even the current administration is now admitting global warming exists and that consequently polar bears are now a threatened species.
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"For Seacliffs and BeachSteelers and others of the Global Warming skeptical camp, I want to urge you to give Al Gore a small break. I'm pretty much with you most of the time. The man is stiff, preachy and was a terrible presidential candidate - but I don't think he is a liar. Check out what the urban legends site Scopes.com says about the alleged "I invented the internet" quote.
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp
Al Gore, for all his imperfections, does not deserve to be bunched with Oliver Stone and Michael Moore. Either of them would have made the movie much more entertaining (and slanted)."
OK so Gore said he helped to "create" the internet! Snopes tries to claim this is "Urban legend" by jousting with the semantics (he said "create" not "invent" so it is not the same--Huh?) I would not call him a liar, but I would say he is one prone to exageration, which I suppose most politicians can be accused of to support their agendas. I think it is a good idea to see the movie to hear it's point of view and weigh the evidence. At the same time, I will continue to look into the opposing point of views of other scientist who say we are in a period of Global cooling or that any climate change is natural and not man made. That said, I will remain skeptical and not follow the herd.
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp
Al Gore, for all his imperfections, does not deserve to be bunched with Oliver Stone and Michael Moore. Either of them would have made the movie much more entertaining (and slanted)."
OK so Gore said he helped to "create" the internet! Snopes tries to claim this is "Urban legend" by jousting with the semantics (he said "create" not "invent" so it is not the same--Huh?) I would not call him a liar, but I would say he is one prone to exageration, which I suppose most politicians can be accused of to support their agendas. I think it is a good idea to see the movie to hear it's point of view and weigh the evidence. At the same time, I will continue to look into the opposing point of views of other scientist who say we are in a period of Global cooling or that any climate change is natural and not man made. That said, I will remain skeptical and not follow the herd.
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it is not a new concept that someone with an agenda will use their data/research to get their desired effect. this has been seen in books and papers presented for years. highlighting positive data and minimalizing or ommitting unfavorable/opposing data is what research grants are made of. there are papers/books out there claiming the holocaust did not happen, and you need to actively look for information regarding the Japanese internment. it's not mentioned in any history books i've read.
to be as educated as possible is what makes our decisions easier, and that includes knowledge of opposing points of view. i don't care if those who don't want to see the movie for whatever reason, will ever see it.
Seacliffes, i look forward to any research you can offer regarding global cooling that is current.
to be as educated as possible is what makes our decisions easier, and that includes knowledge of opposing points of view. i don't care if those who don't want to see the movie for whatever reason, will ever see it.
Seacliffes, i look forward to any research you can offer regarding global cooling that is current.
Glad I can spur some debate. My goal is being fulfilled.I never meant to attack this event. I think it will be beneficial and wish I could go. I'm back to attacking Beachclubs now. Peace.