beautiful arizona desert!!

[flowerfriendly]

Seriously though - I realize illegal immigration is a major problem, and I think we need to find a REAL solution sooner rather than later, but on the other hand I find it hard to get condemn people who are trying to get a better life for them and their families - even though I know that isn't fair to others who can't so easily get here or who follow the rules.

My ancestors came here because they didn't like the direction things were going in their country (and boy were they right as that cluster turned into a world war) and because this was a land of opportunity. I think one of the greatest things about the US is that if you are born here, you are a citizen. I don't want that to change.

This isn't the first time in our history that a large group of people want to come here because their life in their homeland is horrible and it won't be the last. I would like this to be a time where our solution is not an embarrassment like earlier immigration restrictions and laws.

So HOW do we deal with it fairly, legally, and ALL OVER THE US?

Building a giant physical and/or social fence and discriminating against people isn't a solution for me - on any level.

I know there are a lot of people out there who deal with this problem, know more about it than I do, and have good logical suggestions. What are they?

P.S. I hate litter and litterbugs, and while the pictures posted here were taken by a militia member w/ an agenda, they do pretty accurately show how bad the mess is in the park.

i'm here to tell you these pictures wern't taken by militia members(that just makes me laugh) but there is an agenda. to try and get the message out that there is a problem in arizona. bottom line.

 

[LuciferSam]

i'm here to tell you these pictures wern't taken by militia members(that just makes me laugh) but there is an agenda. to try and get the message out that there is a problem in arizona. bottom line.

Actually, all I see are signs of life in an uninhabitable wasteland.

 

[Minnie]

The process for immigrants needs to be changed, for everyone, not just for those that took the law into thier own hands and came here illegally.

 

[LuciferSam]

The process for immigrants needs to be changed, for everyone, not just for those that took the law into thier own hands and came here illegally.

But who's laws were they breaking? If they're not citizens, then our laws don't apply to them!!:funn: Think about it. If we're going to get all us and them about it, why should them give a rat's ass about the laws imposed by us?

 

[Lynnie]

But who's laws were they breaking? If they're not citizens, then our laws don't apply to them!!:funn: Think about it. If we're going to get all us and them about it, why should them give a rat's ass about the laws imposed by us?

Um, well, when I was in Mexico and broke the law (accidentally, mind you - language barrier), guess whose laws I broke? Not Switzerland's! Believe me, justice is swift in Mexico!

 

[LuciferSam]

Um, well, when I was in Mexico and broke the law (accidentally, mind you - language barrier), guess whose laws I broke? Not Switzerland's! Believe me, justice is swift in Mexico!

If you had been trying to live in Mexico permanently, that would have been like . The difference is the people trying to get into this country are brave adventurous souls, whatever else you might think about them. They have nothing to lose. Comparing your situation to theirs is so apples/oranges.

 

[Lynnie]

Well, you're right about apples and oranges. However, 'When in Rome' is the point. Da law is da law.

 

[LuciferSam]

They don't, hence the problem.

They point is why should they? If you were in their situation would you "cheat" in order to gain citizenship to our country? I could say without a doubt that I would and feel not the least bit of remorse. Immigration laws are statutory and arbitrary. They are like beach driving permits.

 

[Arkiehawg]

Since this seems to be a well traveled path, perhaps the State of Arizona should put a dumpster on site for the crapola....

Perhaps with a placard: Bienvenido a Arizona. Ponga su mierda aqu? dentro

 

[Dylan]

How about this courtesy of your tax dollars? beautiful, no?

this strangely reminds me of oil booms. pointless really...

It's not just the immigrants. Look at our beaches in the middle of summer.

I couldn't have said it any better. bravo!