Alan Osborne and Driftwood Estates have three lawsuits against Walton County. If elected, can Alan sue himself?
How can a sitting commissioner, Cindy Meadows, collecting a salary from the public, endorse a candidate who is suing the county she represents?
We are all paying the legal fees for these lawsuits.
maygirl
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74Beach Lover
Simple answer
I am not the president of the HOA, nor have I ever been. I am the appointed head of the legal commitee.
To clarify things there is
1)One Suit against the county.(Not funded by the HOA)It is being consolidated with another.
2)One Mandameus agaist the county(Demand for Public hearing)(Funded by HOA)
3) A suit against all parties involved besides the county for drainage and developmet issues. (Not funded by the HOA)
If you are having a hard time dealing with my answer, please go read the suits as they are public record and it will become very, very clear.
Alan Osborne
I am still confused as to Alan's exact position with the Driftwood HOA.
Alan are you the President of the HOA?
If you are or were at the time these lawsuits were filed I could definately understand your name appearing on the suits. If you were not the President then I have a hard time dealing with your explanation.
Simple question.
I am not the president of the HOA, nor have I ever been. I am the appointed head of the legal commitee.
To clarify things there is
1)One Suit against the county.(Not funded by the HOA)It is being consolidated with another.
2)One Mandameus agaist the county(Demand for Public hearing)(Funded by HOA)
3) A suit against all parties involved besides the county for drainage and developmet issues. (Not funded by the HOA)
If you are having a hard time dealing with my answer, please go read the suits as they are public record and it will become very, very clear.
Alan Osborne
Beach Comber
If you haven't noticed, the economy is at a halt and I don't believe a single commissioner can accomplish driving it further into oblivion. I think many people got greedy, too much overbuilding, and too many developers didn't finish what they started and promised
people who bought in their developments. Now the taxpayers may have to pick up some of the costs. Anyone who stands up against this, is the man.
people who bought in their developments. Now the taxpayers may have to pick up some of the costs. Anyone who stands up against this, is the man.
Beach Fanatic
Ok - I don.t have a clue about how to look them up and you are the candidate. You should be willing to fully disclose this.
Could you tell me who is funding the 2 suits that you say the HOA is not funding?
Who else serves on the legal committee?
Could you tell me who is funding the 2 suits that you say the HOA is not funding?
Who else serves on the legal committee?
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Beach Lover
My turn for a question
It would have been nice if you had done some research before "venting on me"
First part, I offered to attend any forum to discuss and show proof, plus the county minutes and the democratic video clearly detail EVERTHING. How much more disclosure do you wan't? How about you and may girl answering my question.
Do you want the county to pay to fix this mess or do you want the developer to pay and fix it?
As for the HOA I won't disclose it's business without their Written permission and yes Myself and other homeowners who chose to, are footing the bill for the lawsuits. Ball is in your court, please answer this simple question because that is what it really gets down to. Should everybody pay or the people who caused it.
Alan Osborne
Ok - I don.t have a clue about how to look them up and you are the candidate. You should be willing to fully disclose this.
Could you tell me who is funding the 2 suits that you say the HOA is not funding?
Who else serves on the legal committee?
It would have been nice if you had done some research before "venting on me"
First part, I offered to attend any forum to discuss and show proof, plus the county minutes and the democratic video clearly detail EVERTHING. How much more disclosure do you wan't? How about you and may girl answering my question.
Do you want the county to pay to fix this mess or do you want the developer to pay and fix it?
As for the HOA I won't disclose it's business without their Written permission and yes Myself and other homeowners who chose to, are footing the bill for the lawsuits. Ball is in your court, please answer this simple question because that is what it really gets down to. Should everybody pay or the people who caused it.
Alan Osborne
Beach Comber
I am looking at buying a home in a specific area of Freeport. I want to know everything about the builder, the developer, the neighborhood, the restrictions (boy have we been burnt by that one before), abandonments, and any other legal document that is available. I have also gone to the neighborhood when it rains, when the sun rises, and when it sets (call me anal if you wish). So I guess I am a bit confused. Maybe I dont have all the questions but it would seem to me that maybe Mr Osborne failed to investigate his purchase. I guess what is more confusing is why there should be a road through Sandestin from Driftwood since there already a road in and out? I think Sandestin is private or so they claim so how can you run a county road through private property without the "expressed written consent" or easement grant from the land owner? I would understand if there were no ingress or egress, or there was an existing road that had been customarily used.
Beach Lover
I am looking at buying a home in a specific area of Freeport. I want to know everything about the builder, the developer, the neighborhood, the restrictions (boy have we been burnt by that one before), abandonments, and any other legal document that is available. I have also gone to the neighborhood when it rains, when the sun rises, and when it sets (call me anal if you wish). So I guess I am a bit confused. Maybe I dont have all the questions but it would seem to me that maybe Mr Osborne failed to investigate his purchase. I guess what is more confusing is why there should be a road through Sandestin from Driftwood since there already a road in and out? I think Sandestin is private or so they claim so how can you run a county road through private property without the "expressed written consent" or easement grant from the land owner? I would understand if there were no ingress or egress, or there was an existing road that had been customarily used.
Your right, do lots of homework. In my case most of the problem happened after I moved here, I had no idea the entrance flooded like it did unitil the first big rains came after the boondoggle changes. Your right about the documents for the road. First this so called Private road was public for over 30 years prior to sandestin's existance. It is on my plat and I have a 20 foot easement signed by the developer prior to Burnt pine being built and was recorded in the public record. I am simply asking for what I paid for. My plat was recorded prior to theirs and in sworn deposition the proof of abadonment required by statue could not be produced after four years of asking for it. Think about it, if somebody had the PROPER documents to refute my claim this would have been dismissed years ago. The simple fact is they don't.
Beach Fanatic
Please don't get testy and agressive with me young man. You are the candidate not me. I was simply trying to reafirm my decision to vote for you.
You seek public office and some questions have been raised that seem to require your candid responses not offensive challenges.
You will be faced by those more demanding of your people skills.
I really have little knowledge of the issues in Driftwood Estates. But this is what I have gleaned from this thread. You do not seem to handle being questioned very well - you seem above those who have simple questions and send them packing to "Do their homework".
You are not a Major barking orders at some private now.
You seek public office and some questions have been raised that seem to require your candid responses not offensive challenges.
You will be faced by those more demanding of your people skills.
I really have little knowledge of the issues in Driftwood Estates. But this is what I have gleaned from this thread. You do not seem to handle being questioned very well - you seem above those who have simple questions and send them packing to "Do their homework".
You are not a Major barking orders at some private now.
SoWal Insider
Please don't get testy and agressive with me young man. You are the candidate not me. I was simply trying to reafirm my decision to vote for you.
You seek public office and some questions have been raised that seem to require your candid responses not offensive challenges.
You will be faced by those more demanding of your people skills.
I really have little knowledge of the issues in Driftwood Estates. But this is what I have gleaned from this thread. You do not seem to handle being questioned very well - you seem above those who have simple questions and send them packing to "Do their homework".
You are not a Major barking orders at some private now.
I think Mr. Osborne has answered your questions Interested girl. Figure out who you're voting for by doing your homework. You are the voter.
This is getting very UNinteresting.

Beach Fanatic
Ok - I don.t have a clue about how to look them up and you are the candidate. You should be willing to fully disclose this.
Could you tell me who is funding the 2 suits that you say the HOA is not funding?
Who else serves on the legal committee?
Pretty much sums it up. . . .

SoWal Expert
InterestedGirl, I think Alan has given you much more attention than you deserve. All of the information you request is public record. You may access it via the Clerk of Courts Office.
Drivingthru, how is the general public supposed to know whether or not underground pipes are installed through observation? Your statement of learning about property before you purchase is very good. However, you cannot tell me that you can see underground infrastructure such as the missing pipes. Heck, the County Engineer signed off on the paper work as though the infrastructure was installed as engineered, and the County took four years before they ever found out the real truth, and that was only a few months ago. Even the County was somewhat surprised, because the development would have not been approved if the infrastructure wasn't installed. Oversite? Fraud? Negligence? I'm not sure the reason, but the County now states after investigation, that the infrastructure wasn't installed as engineered and required.
I will add that if you are an early purchaser in a development, and your home is built, but the others are not, when the developer fills the surrounding wetlands which were designed to be retention ponds, and builds more homes on them, your early investigation would be useless. You have to rely on what the original development plans show as future builds.
Drivingthru, how is the general public supposed to know whether or not underground pipes are installed through observation? Your statement of learning about property before you purchase is very good. However, you cannot tell me that you can see underground infrastructure such as the missing pipes. Heck, the County Engineer signed off on the paper work as though the infrastructure was installed as engineered, and the County took four years before they ever found out the real truth, and that was only a few months ago. Even the County was somewhat surprised, because the development would have not been approved if the infrastructure wasn't installed. Oversite? Fraud? Negligence? I'm not sure the reason, but the County now states after investigation, that the infrastructure wasn't installed as engineered and required.
I will add that if you are an early purchaser in a development, and your home is built, but the others are not, when the developer fills the surrounding wetlands which were designed to be retention ponds, and builds more homes on them, your early investigation would be useless. You have to rely on what the original development plans show as future builds.
Beach Fanatic
I will not burden Mr. Osborn any further.
I cast my ballot today for Cecilia Jones.
She will be the next D5 commmissioner because she has name recognition in the North and they turn out in primaries and in the south Hudson and Osborn will divide the vote. Now we will have 5 commissioners from north of the bay.
I cast my ballot today for Cecilia Jones.
She will be the next D5 commmissioner because she has name recognition in the North and they turn out in primaries and in the south Hudson and Osborn will divide the vote. Now we will have 5 commissioners from north of the bay.
SoWal Expert
You voting for Cecilia about sums it up. I gave you information on where to find that information, and you totally rejected it. That shows me that you never really cared about anything other than trying to harm someone else's campaign. Not too different than the sweet lady I ran into yesterday who shockingly told me to vote for Sid, because "one candidate was going around saying that he shot enough people in war to earn our votes." Where that comes from is from the evil depths and mini-movie minds of the uninformed Ostriches, whom some people call voters.
SoWal Insider
You voting for Cecilia about sums it up.
As does this:
Now we will have 5 commissioners from north of the bay.
Beach Fanatic
We will see whose candidate of choice wins.
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SoWal Insider
Cool, maybe now that's she's voted, maybe she'll keep her post count under 10.
SoWal Expert
red chicklets are difficult to remove.
Beach Fanatic
I will not burden Mr. Osborn any further.
I cast my ballot today for Cecilia Jones.
She will be the next D5 commmissioner because she has name recognition in the North and they turn out in primaries and in the south Hudson and Osborn will divide the vote. Now we will have 5 commissioners from north of the bay.
I think your attempts to discredit Alan Osborn are really out of line. Also, as a native of Walton County, I find your statement about north vs south Walton to be very offensive. We all live in Walton County!
Maybe you can find a class in citizenship somewhere -- I think you need a refresher course. Life is much too short for this divisive type of behavior...and your behavior on this Board doesn't help Mrs. Jones' campaign any either.
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Beach Fanatic
I will not burden Mr. Osborn any further.Why am I not surprised. I am glad you think so much of the South end of the county that you are willing to not allow them to have any say in what transpires in their end of the county or fair representation. I have one thing to be thankful for and that is that not all people from the North part of the county are as unfeeling, uncaring and misinformed about government as you obviously are. People who have your attitude about local government get exactly what they deserve. Representation that serves, not the citizens, but all the special interest groups that are powerful in the county.
I cast my ballot today for Cecilia Jones.
She will be the next D5 commmissioner because she has name recognition in the North and they turn out in primaries and in the south Hudson and Osborn will divide the vote. Now we will have 5 commissioners from north of the bay.
Beach Fanatic
Sorry folks I happen to live in Miramar Beach.
Beach Comber
InterestedGirl, I think Alan has given you much more attention than you deserve. All of the information you request is public record. You may access it via the Clerk of Courts Office.
Drivingthru, how is the general public supposed to know whether or not underground pipes are installed through observation? Your statement of learning about property before you purchase is very good. However, you cannot tell me that you can see underground infrastructure such as the missing pipes. Heck, the County Engineer signed off on the paper work as though the infrastructure was installed as engineered, and the County took four years before they ever found out the real truth, and that was only a few months ago. Even the County was somewhat surprised, because the development would have not been approved if the infrastructure wasn't installed. Oversite? Fraud? Negligence? I'm not sure the reason, but the County now states after investigation, that the infrastructure wasn't installed as engineered and required.
I will add that if you are an early purchaser in a development, and your home is built, but the others are not, when the developer fills the surrounding wetlands which were designed to be retention ponds, and builds more homes on them, your early investigation would be useless. You have to rely on what the original development plans show as future builds.
Joe I agree with you but there is one developer that requires no plans when he built, and that is the Good Lord. The point I was trying, to make and I guess maybe I fell short, is if it rains and water stands, chances are it will stand and not drain every time. That would give one a pretty good indication that the drainage is not working very well. Most everything north of 98 is or was a swamp. I have no problem with Osborne doing what is right trying to make the developer fix what is wrong, I commend him for it. But I cant help but think there will be a conflict of interest for him if he at any time votes on anything involving his community and thus I believe he will have to recuse himself. Will he have any influence on the other Members in their vote? There is always that chance that the County may end up paying millions. If they are wrong, and proven wrong, so be it but I dont want more of my dollars tied up in litigation.
Beach Comber
Sorry folks I happen to live in Miramar Beach.
Your vial dribble is sophmoric (actually more like 4 year old behavior on a playground) at best. Folks like you do no service for any of the candidates.
If you want to support a candidate, support that person; do not attack another you personally oppose with lies, video clips that you attempt to take out of context, and someone you do not know.
Mr. Osborne asked you a question, you should answer it. Smilin Joe provided you with resources to get your questions answered. Your responses speak volumes to your true agenda here and nothing more. Based on the other respondents' comments, your plan here has sorely backfired.
Shame on you too for your disrespect to the residents/voters of South Walton.
Beach Comber
Shock the World
I would love to see Alan and Bob get together and determine who has the best chance of winning based on recent polling, then have one throw their support to the other publicly. This would at least make certain that the folks in District 5 are represented by one of there own residents. I am sure this is wishful thinking at this point. As I have stated all along, Jones will win because of the things the "bragging" poster writes about. It is a shame!
I would love to see Alan and Bob get together and determine who has the best chance of winning based on recent polling, then have one throw their support to the other publicly. This would at least make certain that the folks in District 5 are represented by one of there own residents. I am sure this is wishful thinking at this point. As I have stated all along, Jones will win because of the things the "bragging" poster writes about. It is a shame!
SoWal Expert
The current County Commissioners, other than Comm Meadows, hasn't listened to Alan yet, so I don't know why anyone would think that he suddenly would have pull of favor for Driftwood in any Commissioner votes. He certainly is required by law to recuse himself from any such vote.
Beach Fanatic
I would love to see Alan and Bob get together and determine who has the best chance of winning based on recent polling, then have one throw their support to the other publicly. This would at least make certain that the folks in District 5 are represented by one of there own residents. I am sure this is wishful thinking at this point. As I have stated all along, Jones will win because of the things the "bragging" poster writes about. It is a shame!
It is certainly a shame that this did not occur in this race and the sheriff's race.
However, it is unrealistic to think that anyone who has invested their blood, sweat and tears (so to speak) in a campaign is going to withdraw at this juncture.
People do not enter political races unless they believe they are truly the best man for the job, desire power or think there is some gain in it for them. Neither thought process lends itself to what you are suggesting.
By the way, in my opinion both Mr. Osbourne and Mr. Hudson are in the race because they believe they are the best man for the job.
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