Concerned with Poisons being sprayed all over SoWal? ...

Well, first of all, APOLOGIES TO ALL FOR MY POSTS IN THIS THREAD. I just now read the other thread on this subject. Not only is this horse dead, but it's soaked in DEET.

As punishment, I vow to strictly adhere to Smiling Joe's recommended summer beach attire: I will always wear long sleeves, I will not go outside in the morning or evening hours, and I will routinely douse myself in white vinegar. (Jeez, thank God I'm already married...I bet it's hell finding a date in that kind of getup!) ;-)

P.S. Kurt, I remember seeing it on the news or online about a year ago, but here's one article I found about it: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/04/19/national/a131309D69.DTL

There will be experts from both sides of the issue present at the meeting. Mr. Skunkape, this thread doesn't concern you. This thread concerns those of us who ARE concerned. You are obviously very happy with your current situation and I applaud your intestinal fortitude. Please leave this thread for those of us who would like to INVESTIGATE this matter further. Please let us decide this through the proper amount of red tape and bureaucratic double-speak, without passing judgement from your proverbial armchair. Or, are you willing to go fight for the pesticide's right to liberty and freedom? Are you PRO-pesticide? I am no expert, but I doubt the fella driving the truck past my house twice a week is either. I want a discussion in the public forum. That is democracy.

My family ran a pest control business for countless years, and I grew up in that environment. My exposure level was high, and I do not wish to be sprayed any longer. I moved to this area to reach my full potential, enjoy the wonderful weather and environment, and get healthy. I consider the mass spraying of pesticides to be anathema to this pursuit. There are other options, and though you would love for someone to point them out so that you can riff on them, I think we will save it for the meeting where there might be viable discussion.

To what do you attribute our high rate of infant mortality?

Here's a list of [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_mortality_rate"]infant mortality rates by country[/ame]. As you can see, we're waaaaaaay down the list. And even then:

"The US counts many infant births as "live" which other countries do not (and therefore usually appears to have a much higher rate of infant mortality than similar countries). The US counts an infant exhibiting any sign of life as alive, no matter the month of gestation or the size, but other countries differ in these practices. For example, in Germany and Austria, fetal weight must reach one pound to be counted as a live birth, while in some other countries, including Switzerland, the baby must be at least 12 inches long. Both Belgium and France report babies as born lifeless if they are less than 26 weeks' gestation."

Anyway, good luck with your meeting guys (seriously). I intended no offense to anyone, nor did I mean to disrupt the thread with irrelevant posts. I took the thread's Subject Line as a literal question, and I weighed in on it with my opinion. Sincere apologies if I was out of line....

P.S. Kurt, I remember seeing it on the news or online about a year ago, but here's one article I found about it: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/04/19/national/a131309D69.DTL

I can see that you are trying to have fun but you created some questions for me which are answered in the article.

To see such a giant drop after years of annual increases was a little hard to swallow for some.

"We will not make much of this until the final data come out," said Elizabeth Ward, director of surveillance research for the American Cancer Society....
The center said drops in the death rates for heart disease, cancer and stroke accounted for most of the decline....
Overall, age-adjusted death rates fell to a record low of 801 deaths per 100,000 population in 2004, down from almost 833 deaths per 100,000 in 2003....
Japan, Monaco and San Marino had the highest life expectancy, 82 years, in 2004, according to World Health Organization statistics. Australia, Iceland, Italy, Sweden and Switzerland have a life expectancy of 81. Canada, France, Israel, Norway, Spain and Britain are among the other countries with life expectancies above 78.

They must spray every day in those countries.

There will be experts from both sides of the issue present at the meeting. Mr. Skunkape, this thread doesn't concern you. This thread concerns those of us who ARE concerned. You are obviously very happy with your current situation and I applaud your intestinal fortitude. Please leave this thread for those of us who would like to INVESTIGATE this matter further. Please let us decide this through the proper amount of red tape and bureaucratic double-speak, without passing judgement from your proverbial armchair. Or, are you willing to go fight for the pesticide's right to liberty and freedom? Are you PRO-pesticide? I am no expert, but I doubt the fella driving the truck past my house twice a week is either. I want a discussion in the public forum. That is democracy.

My family ran a pest control business for countless years, and I grew up in that environment. My exposure level was high, and I do not wish to be sprayed any longer. I moved to this area to reach my full potential, enjoy the wonderful weather and environment, and get healthy. I consider the mass spraying of pesticides to be anathema to this pursuit. There are other options, and though you would love for someone to point them out so that you can riff on them, I think we will save it for the meeting where there might be viable discussion.

Is this my invitation to get out of town before the sun sets? You guys are nutz;I suspect you have less interest in 'investigation' and more in entering the meeting with your preconceived notions, no matter how erroneous, firmly cemented and then spreading the gospel of fear. And as a matter of fact, if I am not working at 9:30 AM like most of the civilized world, I will go to the show and tell and participate just as much as anyone else who lives here, and if somebody starts quacking like a duck, I will call them on it. I see it as an obligation as a guardian of the local public health and welfare.

Skunky, you need to go for a walk. It is a bee-yoo-tiful morning. Deep breaths of fresh air.......

Skunky, you need to go for a walk. It is a bee-yoo-tiful morning. Deep breaths of fresh air.......

Skunky: blinded by science.

Skunky: blinded by science.

Kurtifunn: the scales can only be removed from your eyes if you care to see. I appreciate your concern about indiscriminate (sp?) insect killing;that is a whole other issue, and honestly I would be interested to know how many 'innocents' die with each application. I simply have a problem with junk science being injected into what should be a debate among the informed. Here is a very sober piece from California that should actually clarify the risks and benefits of spraying without obviously trying to scare the living bejeezum out of people.
http://www.co.marin.ca.us/depts/HH/.../PesticideSafety_mosquitocontrol_09-27-05.pdf

Skunky, you need to go for a walk. It is a bee-yoo-tiful morning. Deep breaths of fresh air.......

I thought it was going to kill us

Is this my invitation to get out of town before the sun sets? You guys are nutz;I suspect you have less interest in 'investigation' and more in entering the meeting with your preconceived notions, no matter how erroneous, firmly cemented and then spreading the gospel of fear. And as a matter of fact, if I am not working at 9:30 AM like most of the civilized world, I will go to the show and tell and participate just as much as anyone else who lives here, and if somebody starts quacking like a duck, I will call them on it. I see it as an obligation as a guardian of the local public health and welfare.

Oh, you just convinced me (as a guardian of public health and welfare) that I am laughable and "nutz". Thanks for clearing that up for me.
I wasn't insinuating that you "get out of town". Simply, I was requesting that you stop poo-pooing every thread on this subject. We are all fully aware of your opinion now, thanks for sharing. This thread was simply to alert anyone concerned that there will be a meeting. I find you very rude and dismissive, sir.

Oh, you just convinced me (as a guardian of public health and welfare) that I am laughable and "nutz". Thanks for clearing that up for me.
I wasn't insinuating that you "get out of town". Simply, I was requesting that you stop poo-pooing every thread on this subject. We are all fully aware of your opinion now, thanks for sharing. This thread was simply to alert anyone concerned that there will be a meeting. I find you very rude and dismissive, sir.

I'm sorry, I don't mean to be rude. Why can't I poo-poo, I like to poo-poo?;-)

I appreciate your concern about indiscriminate (sp?) insect killing;that is a whole other issue,

Is it?

I appreciate people who question authority in the interest of public health and safety, and I try to keep an open mind. Even if you dislike the methods, the end result may be a better place to live.

"What kills a skunk is the publicity it gives itself". ~Abraham Lincoln

Kurtifunn: the scales can only be removed from your eyes if you care to see. I appreciate your concern about indiscriminate (sp?) insect killing;that is a whole other issue,

Skunky, I find it interesting that since my first post on the subject, I have continued to talk about the cycle of life and the indiscriminate killing of many species of insects via mass spraying of the poisons, yet only now, you see that it is a valid point.

Skunky, I find it interesting that since my first post on the subject, I have continued to talk about the cycle of life and the indiscriminate killing of many species of insects via mass spraying of the poisons, yet only now, you see that it is a valid point.

Actually, I first discussed it at sunset with Kurt about a month ago...

Is it?

I appreciate people who question authority in the interest of public health and safety, and I try to keep an open mind. Even if you dislike the methods, the end result may be a better place to live.

"What kills a skunk is the publicity it gives itself". ~Abraham Lincoln

[B"]Sometimes when you get in a fight with a skunk, you can't tell who started it."
Lloyd Doggett [/B]

[B"]Sometimes when you get in a fight with a skunk, you can't tell who started it."
Lloyd Doggett [/b]

Yes, we can all be little stinkers sometimes.

Yes, we can all be little stinkers sometimes.

True dat

You know, Pat Patterson lived to be 105 years old and most of it was spent in Grayton Beach! What, could he perhaps have lived to 150 if they hadn't sprayed? So what do you think we do, go out and have a party in the fog? Kind of like Cheech and Chong playing in the exhaust in the middle of the highway?

You know, Pat Patterson lived to be 105 years old and most of it was spent in Grayton Beach! What, could he perhaps have lived to 150 if they hadn't sprayed? So what do you think we do, go out and have a party in the fog? Kind of like Cheech and Chong playing in the exhaust in the middle of the highway?

Maybe his longevity had something to do with the lack of emissions from automobiles, textile plants, paper mills, and stress.

Of course there are always those unknown factors, and good genes. Look at George Burns, who lived a very long life, smoking fat cigars and drinking booze. I guess you are going to try to tell us that drinking and smoking will help us live longer.

Maybe his longevity had something to do with the lack of emissions from automobiles, textile plants, paper mills, and stress.

Of course there are always those unknown factors, and good genes. Look at George Burns, who lived a very long life, smoking fat cigars and drinking booze. I guess you are going to try to tell us that drinking and smoking will help us live longer.

I think they just don't have it all figured out, and when they think they do, something changes. What works for one, doesn't for another. There are too many variables.

I guess you are going to try to tell us that drinking and smoking will help us live longer.

No, but I'd wager that stress and worry over certain things (like bug spray, secondhand smoke, etc.) does more harm to our bodies than those things do to begin with...

the meeting starts in twenty minutes...

bumping to front page.

Oh, to be a fly on the wall...or on second thought, maybe not

Skunky, I thought you were going to attend the meeting to listen to the experts.

Skunky, I thought you were going to attend the meeting to listen to the experts.

I thought it was in the mutual best interest of all that I let you guys have the floor without interference.

Besides, I'm an environmentalist, not a 'joiner':funn:
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