Conservative Seattle Times Endorses Obama

[wrobert]

it is called being grateful for having a real choice in this election. I do feel that Obama is the ideal choice for a leader who can bring change and set a course for america (we've had no real direction for a while now). anything wrong with that? we do have real opportunity staring us in the face. It makes me feel very optimistic.

I don't know about kool aid and blind following, but I do know about liking what i am seeing. and being very grateful for the opportunity for real change.

Don't get me wrong. I am certainly glad we have a choice. What disappoints me is I feel like I am being pandered to and I do not like that. Mainly because I feel it is all going to change once either one of them get elected. Obama's announcement of his change on tax cuts, and his late announcement on education are both things, that if I thought he truly believed in, would have been a cornerstone of his plan months ago. And his education plan seems to directly conflict with the NEA, one of his biggest supporters, so I have to wonder what sort of a deal has he cut with them. And McCain is no better in this department, his sudden revelation about immigration, and his stance on first amendment issues are troubling. Of course I do not see where he has changed his mind on the first amendment, yet. And the only economic plan I am hearing is bailing out everyone but me.

And then we have to hear how McCain has done nothing to solve the problems in 26 years, while enduring that Biden, who has held the same job for 35 years is the catalyst for change we have all been looking for.

And to add confusion, posting threads saying conservative papers are endorsing Obama, when it is apparent they are not, and Palin is banning books, when she has yet to do it, is doing nothing more but keeping real discussions quiet. If the conservatives on this forum had done the same thing we would all be vilified for our actions.

After watching the series of events unfold over the last couple of weeks, my distrust for the government has not waned a bit.

Okay I have vented enough for a single message.

 

[Teresa]

Don't get me wrong. I am certainly glad we have a choice. What disappoints me is I feel like I am being pandered to and I do not like that. Mainly because I feel it is all going to change once either one of them get elected. Obama's announcement of his change on tax cuts, and his late announcement on education are both things, that if I thought he truly believed in, would have been a cornerstone of his plan months ago. And his education plan seems to directly conflict with the NEA, one of his biggest supporters, so I have to wonder what sort of a deal has he cut with them. And McCain is no better in this department, his sudden revelation about immigration, and his stance on first amendment issues are troubling. Of course I do not see where he has changed his mind on the first amendment, yet. And the only economic plan I am hearing is bailing out everyone but me.

And then we have to hear how McCain has done nothing to solve the problems in 26 years, while enduring that Biden, who has held the same job for 35 years is the catalyst for change we have all been looking for.

And to add confusion, posting threads saying conservative papers are endorsing Obama, when it is apparent they are not, and Palin is banning books, when she has yet to do it, is doing nothing more but keeping real discussions quiet. If the conservatives on this forum had done the same thing we would all be vilified for our actions.

After watching the series of events unfold over the last couple of weeks, my distrust for the government has not waned a bit.

Okay I have vented enough for a single message.

you need to go have a bloody mary or 5 at the red bar and just relax your crack.

sorry you are feeling confused. if you don't like a thread because you don't agree, its not the end of the world. like I told someone the other day (and you thanked me) you are no longer in a minority around here. so get over it and let us hear something positive about your candidate.

I am not talking about McCain at all because he just isn't my guy. no need for me to say much on him. I have talked about Palin because everything about her is offensive to me - but its not about me - so who really cares? (and she has had very strong comments about books that should not be in a library - books that I have read and know that they are good books for children. her comments are exactly the comments of a mother I know about the exact same book - a person that I find to be extremely limited in her views and experience outside of her little town. a mother who feels everyone should have the same kind of family and life has her own. a very limited kind of view that ignores the real world and the needs of others outside her own world).

you seem to say that something is wrong when obama makes shifts in his policies. I have always felt that it is his leadership and direction we need to do the hard work and make the hard decisions as we go. his shifts or changes are done in a strictly logical way, factoring in many crucial considerations - especially current needs of americans weighed with long range vision (quick fixes are not part of his strategy - thankfully). no candidate can profess to have solid answers right now.. coming into office with solid answers and solutions in place would be a mistake.(like Bush - I just don't even want to describe his way of identifying solutions). Obama has always had stong positions on the issues, but that doesn't mean that positions are not subject to shifts and definition - in order to really flush out an issue and find the right solutions. it is all about the change that is needed. it is not about what you may think, what I may think. it is about the needs of a nation.

go enjoy your day. right now!

 

[Jdarg]

Don't get me wrong. I am certainly glad we have a choice. What disappoints me is I feel like I am being pandered to and I do not like that. Mainly because I feel it is all going to change once either one of them get elected. Obama's announcement of his change on tax cuts, and his late announcement on education are both things, that if I thought he truly believed in, would have been a cornerstone of his plan months ago. And his education plan seems to directly conflict with the NEA, one of his biggest supporters, so I have to wonder what sort of a deal has he cut with them. And McCain is no better in this department, his sudden revelation about immigration, and his stance on first amendment issues are troubling. Of course I do not see where he has changed his mind on the first amendment, yet. And the only economic plan I am hearing is bailing out everyone but me.

And then we have to hear how McCain has done nothing to solve the problems in 26 years, while enduring that Biden, who has held the same job for 35 years is the catalyst for change we have all been looking for.

And to add confusion, posting threads saying conservative papers are endorsing Obama, when it is apparent they are not, and Palin is banning books, when she has yet to do it, is doing nothing more but keeping real discussions quiet. If the conservatives on this forum had done the same thing we would all be vilified for our actions.



After watching the series of events unfold over the last couple of weeks, my distrust for the government has not waned a bit.

Okay I have vented enough for a single message.

Please don't make me bring up every single thread title of the last month where conservatives have used a thread title that was at the very least provocative but mostly an outright lie (I am using conservatives because I don't think all Republicans consider themselves conservatives by today's standards). Why don't we start with that lovely thread about Obama teaching sex ed to kindergarteners?:roll:

I agree with Toots- there are plenty of conservatives voicing and more on this board. You are definitely no longer in the minority.

 

[wrobert]

you need to go have a bloody mary or 5 at the red bar and just relax your crack.

sorry you are feeling confused. if you don't like a thread because you don't agree, its not the end of the world. like I told someone the other day (and you thanked me) you are no longer in a minority around here. so get over it and let us hear something positive about your candidate.

I am not talking about McCain at all because he just isn't my guy. no need for me to say much on him. I have talked about Palin because everything about her is offensive to me - but its not about me - so who really cares? (and she has had very strong comments about books that should not be in a library - books that I have read and know that they are good books for children. her comments are exactly the comments of a mother I know about the exact same book - a person that I find to be extremely limited in her views and experience outside of her little town. a mother who feels everyone should have the same kind of family and life has her own. a very limited kind of view that ignores the real world and the needs of others outside her own world).

you seem to say that something is wrong when obama makes shifts in his policies. I have always felt that it is his leadership and direction we need to do the hard work and make the hard decisions as we go. his shifts or changes are logical ones that come out of a logical process after studying an issue and learning from many experts, etc. if he already had all the answers - I would be very reluctant to support him. anyone who comes into office with answers and solutions in place is really scary to me.(like Bush - I just don't even want to describe his way of identifying solutions). Obama has always had stong positions on the issues, but that doesn't mean that positions are not subject to shifts and definition - in order to really flush out an issue and find the right solutions. it is all about the change that is needed. it is not about what you may think, what I may think. it is about the needs of a nation.

go enjoy your day. right now!

You are correct. I apologize. We do need change. But if the candidates are all going to keep changing how in the world is someone suppose to make a choice. One day McCain says something I like, the next day he plasters the airwaves with ridiculous accusations. Then Obama finally starts to make a bit of sense to me, then he says something that I just can not agree with.

I will be happy when the absentee ballots finally get mailed out so I can just get this over with. I guess the uncertainty of the future is starting to get a bit troubling. Should not be as the future has always been uncertain.

 

[Teresa]

I would like to thank punzy again for a very positive, thought provoking thread. it isn't positive just because i agree with it. it is positive because of the useful information punzy gives with her posts. she educates us, at least those of us who are open and willing, and she does so in a non-threatening way. in other words, she can speak her own opinions and stay respectful of all. a good example she is.

 

[Teresa]

You are correct. I apologize. We do need change. But if the candidates are all going to keep changing how in the world is someone suppose to make a choice. One day McCain says something I like, the next day he plasters the airwaves with ridiculous accusations. Then Obama finally starts to make a bit of sense to me, then he says something that I just can not agree with.

I will be happy when the absentee ballots finally get mailed out so I can just get this over with. I guess the uncertainty of the future is starting to get a bit troubling. Should not be as the future has always been uncertain.

no apologies. I think you are having some angst, but that is normal.

hey, think about the issues these candidates are facing right now. the economic issues alone are very tough - and seem to get tougher by the day. these candidates had better show us that they can think on their feet and adjust their positions accordingly. its been a long time since we've seen candidates having to really respond to desperate times even as they campaign. now both parties claim to be for change. and they mean it - they know it is the only real way.

I don't know about McCain, because I just can't believe in any guy that is really just trying to be acceptable to his party by doing things the same ole way - so change isn't going to be any real change as far as I am concerned.

But, I do know that Obama has called for change for a very long time. many of his positions are "conservative" in the real sense of the word. and smart. key word there. smart.

but for you wrobert - I want you to be who you are and find peace. and go get a bloody mary.

 

[Will B]

So the Times is actually not a conservative paper? It is just more conservative than the other paper so it is labeled as conservative? The title of this thread and the information you are giving is not matching up, alas, I am confused again.

I agree. The title should have read "The more conservative of Seattle's two liberal papers endorses Obama." I called my bro-in-law who lives there and asked him about that paper, and his response was "When did they turn conservative?" They don't have a "conservative" paper up there...

 

[Teresa]

I agree. The title should have read "The more conservative of Seattle's two liberal papers endorses Obama." I called my bro-in-law who lives there and asked him about that paper, and his response was "When did they turn conservative?" They don't have a "conservative" paper up there...

if the Seattle Times endorsed George Bush, i would not call them a liberal paper. my guess is that the Seattle Times has conservative leanings for their state. but not as conservative as other papers in other regions of the country.

the "thank you" button is just so predictable, isn't it? except for wrobert - he will thank just about anyone, and that is why I think I'll keep him.

 

[wrobert]

if the Seattle Times endorsed George Bush, i would not call them a liberal paper. my guess is that the Seattle Times has conservative leanings for their state. but not as conservative as other papers in other regions of the country.

the "thank you" button is just so predictable, isn't it? except for wrobert - he will thank just about anyone, and that is why I think I'll keep him.

I thank the posts I find either interesting or useful. And sometimes both.

 

[Gypsea]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I don't know Seattle but these students don't think the Times is a conservative paper.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Taking on Liberal Newspapers
by Hans Zeiger[/FONT]
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Across the heartlands and hinterlands of conservative America, many doubters and desponders wake up every morning to retrieve their newspaper, a product of the downtown Left. And so it shall remain, they say. But for America's growing army of young conservatives, there are no boundaries to the battle for the future. Even the newspapers of America must stand to reckon with a new generation of conservatives.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Two students at Seattle Pacific University named Matthew McCleary and Benjamin Williams are launching a publication called the Seattle Sentinel at www.seattlesentinel.com. The sophomores have a long-term goal no less than turning the Seattle Sentinel into "the dominant paper in Seattle."[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Pessimists who doubt about America's future, who insist that the liberal bias of the media is permanent and impenetrable, think a goal like the Sentinel's impossible. But McCleary and Williams and their new staff of writers and editors are energized. They're devoted. They'll make it happen within fifty years, they say.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"We want a conservative newspaper in Seattle," says Williams. "We have an interest in Seattle because it is our town. We are sick of the Times and Post-Intelligencer controlling the Seattle print media. People who do not investigate the news only get one side of the story, the liberal side. We need to provide people in Seattle with an alternative to our biased newspapers."[/FONT]