They must have lost the fight. The article is from 2004 and the web domain is now controlled by one of those search engine programs. They are still in superpages.com with the information thought.
Conservative Seattle Times Endorses Obama
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They must have lost the fight. The article is from 2004 and the web domain is now controlled by one of those search engine programs. They are still in superpages.com with the information thought.
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That's OK with me. I would prefer an unbiased paper. Are there any?
That's OK with me. I would prefer an unbiased paper. Are there any?
I am not aware of any unbiased paper. Most are liberal and reflect the political views of their owners.
At least one is divided. The Wall Street Journal is extremely liberal but its op-ed is extremely conservative.
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There's nothing wrong with the way you feel. It's called being realistic. Even with the best of intentions, any candidate still has to deal with Congress, lobby groups, and the likes of all politics. I am sure the people who voted for Bush who now feel victimized, especially with everything unfolding domestically and internationally, and almost a decade of deception and lies, are all the biggest cynics now of any politician. I have many family and friends with similar positions.
It's a shame that it has come to this. My best hope is that whoever becomes President can at least accomplish even a quarter of their best laid plans. My own husband has to on occasion has bring me back to reality becomes he doesn't want my hopes smashed and to be disappointed later.
But one thing I do know is that in order to get anything done, bipartisonship is necessary. This thread surely points out that the smallest point can derail an entire conversation. Who cares whether the paper is conservative, liberal, moderate, progressive, or leans towards Pee Wee Herman? It's an opinion, a well written one at that, and will inspire some people because it speaks to them.
And to Punzy: You are wrong. The article does not say what you feel more succinctly than you ever have.
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All editorial pages lean one way or the other, most of them left. The news items (other than analysis and columns) and the way the items are presented are not supposed to be unbiased, but bias sometimes seeps in anyway. This is not because of some vast left wing conspiracy, or because of ownership, but because most reporters and editors went to J-school or equivalent and went right into the newspaper business, which pays very poorly. When you combine the desire to uncover bad stuff (idealism) with the low pay (probably lowest among all college grads), along with the advantage of getting to meet/interview a huge cross section of people, you have a bunch of people who view it as their job to look out for the little guy. This is not entirely a bad thing, but it tends to mean reporters and ultimately editorial pages align themselves to the left.
Unless they are business writers, most journalists don't understand much about the corporate world or the economy. The business writers do end up doing a pretty good job though. Political journalists should know more about Wall Street et al but often don't. It is what it is.
Most newspapers are owned by shareholders now (Wall Street
) so ownership really doesn't have much to do with anything.
All editorial pages lean one way or the other, most of them left. The news items (other than analysis and columns) and the way the items are presented are not supposed to be unbiased, but bias sometimes seeps in anyway. This is not because of some vast left wing conspiracy, or because of ownership, but because most reporters and editors went to J-school or equivalent and went right into the newspaper business, which pays very poorly. When you combine the desire to uncover bad stuff (idealism) with the low pay (probably lowest among all college grads), along with the advantage of getting to meet/interview a huge cross section of people, you have a bunch of people who view it as their job to look out for the little guy. This is not entirely a bad thing, but it tends to mean reporters and ultimately editorial pages align themselves to the left.
Unless they are business writers, most journalists don't understand much about the corporate world or the economy. The business writers do end up doing a pretty good job though. Political journalists should know more about Wall Street et al but often don't. It is what it is.
Most newspapers are owned by shareholders now (Wall Street
Excellent overview. Thanks. I am sure you are right.
I am guessing on this one...if you write op-ed pieces for the Atlanta Constitution and you write conservative stuff, Ann Cox Chambers will see that you are tossed out on your backside.
BTW, have you read our pathetic paper here in Atlanta? We have to have the nation's worst newspaper. And they wonder why circulation is declining.
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The worst newspaper in America is the Daily Oklahoman.
http://backissues.cjrarchives.org/year/99/1/worst.asp
I haven't read the AJC in quite some time but it used to be pretty well respected. I am spoiled because the St. Pete Times is probably the best paper in the South, and one of the top so-called regional papers in the country, yet one of the problems is that like many papers it doesn't have a huge diversity of voices. Its editor of editorials, a pretty smart and reasonable and centrist guy, just took early retirement.
It still has Howard Troxler -- he is my hero. He is a free-thinking independent and I love that guy. 
He only does state politics though.The quality of newspaper journalism as a whole is only going to go downward until they get the biz straightened out. Craigslist and the real estate crash and now the entire economic downturn, has cut so deeply into advertising budgets nationwide that papers are cutting staff, sometimes outstanding and seasoned staff, left and right. Right-winger types may think this is funny but it really is bad for the little guy and bad for oversight et al. Good papers still break very important stories. But they are struggling to stay in business.
It makes me laugh when people talk about the liberal elites in the media. The TV pundits and the syndicated columnists may get paid a lot but they don't have any relation to what is going on at your average paper. So, there aren't too many right-wingers in Seattle, probably, either living there or working at the Times or the P-I. But there aren't elite media types either. They're just calling it as they see it.
Thanks for the link Punzy!
My brother has always called it the Atlanta Urinal and Constipation...
TooFarTampa
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That's a good one. There are others out there, I just can't think of too many off the top of my head.
Orlando Slantinel
Pravda West (St. Pete Times)
So, who are you suggesting that we vote into office?
I'm not suggesting you vote in any particular way, it's your vote don't let me nor anyone else tell you how to cast it. I'm just expressing my opinion.
George Bush supposedly had "experience" the first time and he certainly had it the second time around . Look where all that experience got us.
If you think McCain is the way go for it.
