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Cost of Iraq War
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As I understand, we are not fighting with Iraq, but in Iraq against the insurgent terrorists.
I received this today:
Subject: Tokyo Rose
The other night we watched a movie called, "Flags of our Fathers."
During the movie, I pointed out the radio broadcast of " Tokyo Rose."
She had the best music on her station. During World War II; the Japanese
developed a way to demoralize the American forces. Psychological warfare
experts developed a message they felt would work.
They gave the script to their famous broadcaster " Tokyo Rose" and every
day she would broadcast this same message packaged in different ways. The
Japanese hoped it would have a negative impact on American GI's morale.
What was that demoralizing message? It had three main points:
1. Your President is lying to you.
2. This war is illegal.
3. You cannot win the war.
Does this sound familiar today?
It is because we are being bombarded by Tokyo Hillary, Tokyo Harry,
Tokyo Teddy, Tokyo Nancy, Tokyo Murtha, etc., and they have picked up the
same message and are broadcasting it on Tokyo CNN, Tokyo ABC, Tokyo CBS,
Tokyo NBC, etc., to our troops.
The only difference is that they claim to support our troops before they
demoralize them. Come to think of it, Tokyo Rose told the troops she was on
their side, too.
I received this today:
Subject: Tokyo Rose
The other night we watched a movie called, "Flags of our Fathers."
During the movie, I pointed out the radio broadcast of " Tokyo Rose."
She had the best music on her station. During World War II; the Japanese
developed a way to demoralize the American forces. Psychological warfare
experts developed a message they felt would work.
They gave the script to their famous broadcaster " Tokyo Rose" and every
day she would broadcast this same message packaged in different ways. The
Japanese hoped it would have a negative impact on American GI's morale.
What was that demoralizing message? It had three main points:
1. Your President is lying to you.
2. This war is illegal.
3. You cannot win the war.
Does this sound familiar today?
It is because we are being bombarded by Tokyo Hillary, Tokyo Harry,
Tokyo Teddy, Tokyo Nancy, Tokyo Murtha, etc., and they have picked up the
same message and are broadcasting it on Tokyo CNN, Tokyo ABC, Tokyo CBS,
Tokyo NBC, etc., to our troops.
The only difference is that they claim to support our troops before they
demoralize them. Come to think of it, Tokyo Rose told the troops she was on
their side, too.
Rancid,
Amidst all of the accusations of lies of war, the most costly has been trusting the Shiites as much as we did. They have always been the Moon Party, and they don?t know how to behave, as we had planned for them to behave as the Sun Party. But that?s a side note.
To your post, I completely agree. It?s the main reason I believe it is imperative that we show the resolve to give the surge a fighting chance. As for goals, one was moderate Shiites in Iraq pressuring mullah upheaval in Iran. That goes back to the last paragraph. We were obviously wrong there, and it is one more reason Tenet?s book is completely disingenuous, and why his medal awarded by GWB is completely unmerited.
30Gay,
This statement does not jive with documented history - ?Well I'm not going with the idea that we were facing a Saddam armed (it was ?arming? ? me) with WMD, coddling Jihadists, and flushed with cash. He was none of the above.?
And I never implied, inferred or hinted that there would be a mushroom cloud over Manhattan if we didn?t invade Iraq.
Goodwitch58,
That?s swell as long as you?ve never been punched in the mouth or had to pin your ears back and show teeth.
Amidst all of the accusations of lies of war, the most costly has been trusting the Shiites as much as we did. They have always been the Moon Party, and they don?t know how to behave, as we had planned for them to behave as the Sun Party. But that?s a side note.
To your post, I completely agree. It?s the main reason I believe it is imperative that we show the resolve to give the surge a fighting chance. As for goals, one was moderate Shiites in Iraq pressuring mullah upheaval in Iran. That goes back to the last paragraph. We were obviously wrong there, and it is one more reason Tenet?s book is completely disingenuous, and why his medal awarded by GWB is completely unmerited.
30Gay,
This statement does not jive with documented history - ?Well I'm not going with the idea that we were facing a Saddam armed (it was ?arming? ? me) with WMD, coddling Jihadists, and flushed with cash. He was none of the above.?
And I never implied, inferred or hinted that there would be a mushroom cloud over Manhattan if we didn?t invade Iraq.
Goodwitch58,
That?s swell as long as you?ve never been punched in the mouth or had to pin your ears back and show teeth.
:roll: Beginning to sound like fabian/gundian/emc321. :scratch:
Ouch!
You get 'em FlGirl...Red
I'm not saying that we can't win, just that the current course of action does not seem to be working (based on information we are receiving from our government).
I think the media is definitely not helping us and that part of the solution should be propaganda.
One of the major mistakes we made at the very beginning was that when we took over the state run tv station we didn't turn it into a pro-US propaganda machine. The main reason the Iraqis get their news from Al Jazeera was because there wasn't another source.
I think the media is definitely not helping us and that part of the solution should be propaganda.
One of the major mistakes we made at the very beginning was that when we took over the state run tv station we didn't turn it into a pro-US propaganda machine. The main reason the Iraqis get their news from Al Jazeera was because there wasn't another source.
6th gen,
DO you REALLY believe that amidst all the accusations of lies of war one of the most costly was trusting the ****es?????? ANYONE with a deep understanding of the region, the different ethnicities, beliefs, etc.. could have, would have and did predict the inevitable chaos that ensued.
I also want to know if you genuinely believed a surge will work? A surge of 100,000 possibly but the small numbers that did go over will have very little effect and it is laughable to "wait till September" till Petreaus gives his report- I think Bush at this point has realized that the war is unwinnable and in his predictably cowardly and with disgusting non-chalance he is doing what he can to wait out till 2008 to "hand this war over" and this callous disregard to the human lives that will be lost and the continued toll this will have on the US and others is despicable.
You may not have implied that there would be a mushroom cloud over NY if we did not invade but you seem to have bought the rubbish you were fed about "terrorists getting us over here so we have to get them over there" or "they hate for our freedoms" BS, hook line and sinker (I think that is the correct expression although it may not be!). And again, you may not be convinced but most of the world (yes, you will probably hate this but this is not just about the US) KNOWS that Iraq had nothing to do with 911 and if AL-Quaeda is there now you can thank this current administration for this.
Your thinking may be more nuanced than what comes across but it is hard to decipher.
First, why are you starring that out? Second, you reinforce my point.
Do I believe it will work? I don't know, but I am cautiously optimistic. What is laughable is the populace believing the surge is going to prove effective overnight, or even by September. There are signs of progress, though, so I'm hopeful. "Predictably cowardly"? Do you just put any bad adjective you can find on GWB? Before it was that he was too bold, too much of a cowboy, now he's a coward? Or does this go back to the chicken hawk red herring? Also, I don't believe you know what is in his head. Unless he's a better actor than The Gipper, I don't think his eyes back your callous accusation.
I know, you have it all figured out and Fox News didn't fool you. Most of the world does not KNOW that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. We don't KNOW that they didn't, we don't KNOW that they did. We have reliable intelligence showing that Atta met with an Iraqi intelligence officers 5 months before the attacks in Prague. But I'm sure you know better. I personally believe that it's pretty amazing that we have not been attacked on our soil since 9/11. But I read that on the Wall Street Journal editorial page.
I am curious to hear your comments regarding Bush appointing an unofficial War Czar to head up the wars with Iraq and Afghanistan. At least three other Generals were smart enough to decline the position. Is he setting up Lt General Douglas Lute to take the blame for the failure of the war?
Do I believe it will work? I don't know, but I am cautiously optimistic. What is laughable is the populace believing the surge is going to prove effective overnight, or even by September.
First of all I do not think the populace believes the surge will work overnight - no-one expects that or is that naive - I just think very very few people have any confidence at all is that as a strategy. And although I have a very wide and extensive vocabulary I still do not have enough adjectives to describe just how very little I think of this president and I am DELIGHTED to see that more and more Republicans are starting to see things my way!!!
I know, you have it all figured out and Fox News didn't fool you. Most of the world does not KNOW that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. We don't KNOW that they didn't, we don't KNOW that they did. We have reliable intelligence showing that Atta met with an Iraqi intelligence officers 5 months before the attacks in Prague. But I'm sure you know better. I personally believe that it's pretty amazing that we have not been attacked on our soil since 9/11. But I read that on the Wall Street Journal editorial page.[/quote]
PLEASE - AS if I watch Fox news - if I did I would believe all the garbage put forth by this administration.....and sorry - read some more - most of the world does know that Iraq had nothing to do with 911. As for not being attacked here - we are lucky and I hope sincerely it stays that way. But some of us actually enjoy traveling and leaving this soil and it has become more treacherous.
First of all I do not think the populace believes the surge will work overnight - no-one expects that or is that naive - I just think very very few people have any confidence at all is that as a strategy. And although I have a very wide and extensive vocabulary I still do not have enough adjectives to describe just how very little I think of this president and I am DELIGHTED to see that more and more Republicans are starting to see things my way!!!
I know, you have it all figured out and Fox News didn't fool you. Most of the world does not KNOW that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. We don't KNOW that they didn't, we don't KNOW that they did. We have reliable intelligence showing that Atta met with an Iraqi intelligence officers 5 months before the attacks in Prague. But I'm sure you know better. I personally believe that it's pretty amazing that we have not been attacked on our soil since 9/11. But I read that on the Wall Street Journal editorial page.[/quote]
PLEASE - AS if I watch Fox news - if I did I would believe all the garbage put forth by this administration.....and sorry - read some more - most of the world does know that Iraq had nothing to do with 911. As for not being attacked here - we are lucky and I hope sincerely it stays that way. But some of us actually enjoy traveling and leaving this soil and it has become more treacherous.