Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy

Discussion in 'Local Government and Groups' started by Reggie Gaskins, Apr 25, 2019.

  1. BlueMtnBeachVagrant

    BlueMtnBeachVagrant Beach Fanatic

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    Although this “video report” was produced back on February 7, 2019, it was linked in the above online referenced article. It again reflects the EXTREME BIAS of NW Florida Daily News. That is a person after viewing this hatchet job with no understanding of the quiet title process would naturally think Mike Huckabee transferred public beach to private beach for $400 as did several other beach front owners. Again, the fallacy (for anyone in the know) is that the sandy part of the beach in Old Blue Mountain subdivision was NEVER PUBLIC IN THE FIRST PLACE. It was always private.

    And why do they constantly zero in on Mike Huckabee when several others have done the same thing? The answer is obvious.

    NW Florida Daily News does not know the meaning of shame. Tom McLaughlin, are you listening?
     
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  2. jodiFL

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    It could be quite hard to notify and get the return receipt notification from the multitudes of HOAs, trusts, investment firms,etc. that own /invested in property. Some of the people that got them might not even realize that they are part of the case or that they own property down here. Maybe some of them dont realize that they were left property or are part of an investment that grandpa and/or grandma gave them decades ago. Maybe some of them are in jail for shady business dealings and dont want anyone to find out about the little nest egg they have hiding down here. There are alot of reasons that they couldnt be notified.
     
  3. tickledpink

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    I am always amused by the arguments presented by the Customary Use Proponents advocates about the greedy, selfish, rich beach front owners who stole THEIR beach via quiet title. I am one of them. It was written in our subdivision covenants that if the organization became defunct, we could apply for a deed to the MHWL line. Those who think of us as the greedy landowners seem to forget who rebuilt the beaches in 2005 after a horrible hurricane season. The County did not. The State did not. The Feds did not. It was those pesky beach front landowners who did. I know because I personalty spent over $200,000 in sand to save my property and rebuild the beach and save it from further erosion. Where was the public when we needed them the most? Lots of luck to try now to take it from me now.
     
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  4. buster

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    You're new here but this has been discussed intensely. I was up and down the beaches in 2005 and 2006 and saw all the illegal "beach restoration" you are talking about. A lot of it was documented here with descriptions and photos. Just do a search and read up before posting again.

    It was a travesty of a free for all - beachfront owners doing whatever they wanted while officials were busy looking elsewhere. Illegal sand, seawalls, geotubes, etc. After the next major storm we will be stuck with the bill of cleaning up thousands of tons of your crap that will be covering every inch of sand. What is under the sand you dumped?

    As for your situation, what possible reason could you have to claim the beach, other than greed?
     
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  5. tickledpink

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    Typical ignorance. All construction, sand, and walls was approved by the county and state.
     
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  7. Lake View Too

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    That is patently false. Some reconstruction of “dunes” was approved by county but almost none was approved by the state and they had the jurisdiction.
     
  8. 30A Skunkape

    30A Skunkape Mr. Small Box

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    Thanks for spending BIG on what mother Nature would have done for free. See you on our sand soon enough!:chill::beach:
     
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  9. BlueMtnBeachVagrant

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    Just realized the link for the mentioned video was not provided. Here it is, “again”.

     
  10. buster

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    There were more violations than they could deal with and most of the illegal work was covered up so they slapped some fines on a few people and did a blanket approval of all the illegal and IGNORANT work.
    Greed, ignorance and bureaucracy at its finest.

    What I mostly have a problem with is Ignorant people like you with more money than sense who brag about saving the beaches when I know what is going to happen after the next big storm. Thousands of tons of worthless junk, geotube carcasses, seawall twisted metal, pilings, metal curtains and who knows what covering most of our beaches and in the gulf and in the coastal dune lakes. WE THE PEOPLE will have your mess to deal with. You think you helped when in reality you have created a ticking time bomb that will ruin our environment.
     
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  11. Stone Cold J

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    Quote from jodiFL "It could be quite hard to notify and get the return receipt notification"

    Actually the 420 notifications under discussion are people that did indeed receive, sign, and return the green certified mail card, but had not filed to intervene yet. HOWEVER the Judge ruled that the notification itself was not sufficient so they are repeating the process again with a "new one".

    When property owners called Sidney Noyes office and asked what was necessary to intervene, if they could write a simple letter of intervention themselves, and, what happens if they did not intervene. they were told the county had no answers and they should contact a lawyer.

    Questions:

    1. How much has the BCC APPROVED to be spent on outside council to sue private property owners to take over their private property rights (right of exclusion)?

    2. How much has the BCC spent on lawyers so far?

    3. Is there a reduction on rate, or credit from Theriaque, since it has taken over 1 year and Theriaque still does not have a notification to send to defendants that is acceptable to the courts?

    4. If the court dismisses the case, does the BCC pay the defendants legal fees, and if so, how much it is?
     
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  12. kayti elliott

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    Maybe the judge just doesn't want to deal with it. After all judges are lawyers and lawyers love to put things off until the last minute, unless, of course, they're chasing an ambulance.
     
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    From the book of Matthew...."... be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell, and great was the fall of it.”
     
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  14. Reggie Gaskins

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    Hanging out this morning at Old Guys breakfast table at Donut Hole. One Old Fart asks these 3 questions. We all started furiously writing on napkins.

    “I wonder how much percentage of the total Walton County property tax revenue the beachfront property owners pay?”

    “What if the county really does spend $50,000,000 on suing them as FBFA Leaders have repeatedly claimed?”

    “With this egregious attack on private property owners, while using their own money to attack them, only because inept county officials and hooligans are falsely telling folks that they can enjoy someone else’s private property by suing them for it... Who will the actors be in the movie that comes out telling the story about this big lie on the big screen, after the corruption is uncovered, and the county pays them back with those other citizens’ tax money?”

    Our answers were hilarious on the top 8 characters.
     
  15. 30A Skunkape

    30A Skunkape Mr. Small Box

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    Huckabee's house is an ugly monument to the nouveau riche regardless of any property lines.
     
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  16. BlueMtnBeachVagrant

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    Wow! Seems like old times.
    My very first post on SoWal in 2006 (first of several on the seawall subject):
    Seawalls
     
  17. kayti elliott

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    I'm sure that Mr. Huckabee is devastated that you don't like his house. Oh, is Skunkape your first or last name?
     
  18. BlueMtnBeachVagrant

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    Hope you don’t live in FL. A sink hole, tornado or cat 5 may be coming your way. Not sure what bible verse would apply there - same one?
     
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  19. mputnal

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    IMHO (as bmbvagrant likes to say) there is no coincidence in the sudden change in bfo's demanding the power to exclude people from the beach and the history of how these beaches have always been shared. You can follow the money, follow the political influence and follow the way individual power believes in their greatness over people who just want to use the beach for shared enjoyment to find out what changed. All the issues about beach density, vending and property rights are nothing more than a way to distract and provoke us from the real issue which is that a few individuals think they have a mandate for private enjoyment of the beach. So who are the few individuals? Certainly this thread has left no doubt about how individual power will use that power to provoke, blame and shame the people who disagree with their quest for exclusion. They can not handle anyone like our little old County telling them NO or you are WRONG. So they began attacking the people. People misbehave. People want free stuff. People are taking something that is not theirs. I will never fully understand how rich people can justify what they are willing to do to get what they want. Apparently they are not told NO very much. I keep asking why is the exclusive mansions not enough that were built solid from the ground up several stories high on the sand dunes where the people gave you those permits to allow these buildings that block the views of this beautiful from the people? I have discovered what the answer is just from reading Reggie/Regina and FBB and a few others. You see when you believe in your greatness instead of earn your greatness (like sharing the enjoyment of the beach) it leads to exclusive needs and extreme justifications like the founders have mandated private enjoyment of the beaches. I think it is obvious that true greatness does not hide their identity and then provoke others. If you do not believe me just experiment with these people who hide their name and then cry out for justice to give them the power to exclude people from the beach. All you have to do is disagree with them and you will find out who they are. They will try to make you feel inferior so be prepared to stand up for yourself...

    So, I expect they will shoot back and say that it is about your individual property rights. I am going to say that if you believe that then one day our beaches will be so extremely limited that you will have to make reservations just to see our beaches and driving down 30A will give you a view of wall to wall mansions...

    There are answers to beach density, beach vending and beach behavior so as a community we need to be unified to solve these problems. Bfo's and non-Bfo's need to work together to find the right balances. I am not saying it is easy but when we practice civility we should be able to find a balance that works. Hiding your name and then provoking others is not the answer. The purpose of this thread was not to find any balance but to allow the rich and powerful to justify their wants for private enjoyment of the beach. The real solutions are always with real people who show up...
     
  20. James Bentwood

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    Did your condo get a permit before building your seawall? Or did you install and ask forgiveness? What is the state of the seawall at your condo now? Fully buried as required?
     

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