Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy

[miznotebook]

Noticed that one thing to be discussed at the Aug. 5 case management conference on the customary use complaint will be the possibility of mediation between the parties.

 

[FloridaBeachBum]

FBB I do not think you understand my position. I am not a CU activist.

- ".. but the more I read them the more I sense a darkness." No darkness; just clarity in the light of truth, facts, and understanding of the law.
- “I am not a CU activist.” IMO an idealist. Which is not bad but not always effective resolving issues.
- "Your building stands where I use to see a sand dune and a sunset. " Legally stands. You still can if you go to the public access and walk the 26 miles of public foreshore.
- "... a chain restricts my freedom to traverse up and down the beach." I invite you to find 1 beachfront chain that restricts your freedom; that is not authorized by a court or the law. Just not credible.
- "You seem to reject anything outside that box that you are dedicated to." You and CU believers do not? At least BFOs have American history and law that support their “box”.
- "I do not know the number but I assume the number will grow .." You know what they say when you assume anything without facts.
- "I think we are from different worlds..." Same world but a different view/understanding of world history and how the world in America works; here, today.
- "You seem to think that going to school and working hard is the difference between us." No! It’s about opportunity. You have the same opportunities in an American free market protected by the rule of law as I or anyone else does. Some have to work harder to overcome the obstacles. What other political and economic system allow for those opportunities for the most People? Socialism? Marxism? Commune of Communism?
- "You are justifying an economic system that favors wealth." Wow, just wow! You never did define wealth. No, capitalism and free markets favors those that work hard and provide value to others who then choose to reimburse them with their own wealth. Name a better economic or political system for the most People than in America.
- "Wealth finds a way to kill the competition from the middle class." No! I find your words about “wealth” jaded, dark, and defeatist. Our world views are be based on our experiences. Please do not project your life experiences on to me or others BFOs you do not know.
- “You laughed at this before.” I laughed at nothing but do not subscribe to your communal worldview of humanity that historically has failed the People; like in the old Soviet Union and more recently Venezuelans. I most laugh and shake my head at Florida Beaches for All, antisocial media, and other CU uninformed misinformation.

Deep philosophical thoughts as I said in #975. “You bring up Deep philosophical subjects, IMO, to a narrow discussion about property rights and public use of private property. Narrow because we could go off subject quickly if you want to delve into “human” philosophy, morals, ethics, political, social, and legal theory, etc.”

I’m no more extremist than you. Why would you not use the word passionate? Yours seems like a dark World view. Off to work to make money to pay my taxes.

Governments can use police powers to tell property owners HOW to use their property; not WHO can use their property. “It is just that simple.” If the People resent what BFOs have, by any American standard, obtained legally within a free market that any person could have achieved - that resentment is misplaced.

 

[BlueMtnBeachVagrant]

Noticed that one thing to be discussed at the Aug. 5 case management conference on the customary use complaint will be the possibility of mediation between the parties.

Thanks for pointing that out. There are a lot of things to discuss in that conference (just read it). It will be very interesting to see if Daniel Uhlfelder will be given a chance to speak regarding possible “mediation” as one of the agenda items. Ooops I meant to say Mrs. NO COMPROMISE. And I wonder if the county is starting to “read the tea leaves” regarding mediation. Nah, I’m just hallucinating.

 

[mputnal]

FBB I don't think you will take my advice but here it goes anyway. If you are going to be this "passionate" about property rights at the expense of your community then don't get so riled up when you lose the support of your community and words get taken out of context. I now understand why the Commissioners did what they did. I now understand why The People believe that BFO's only care about themselves. If that upsets you it is because you know it is not fair and I agree with you but it is the "perception" every time you disconnect from this community. To take that another step I perceive that you believe you are better than the community. Apparently you are very good at making enough money to pay those taxes on your beach front property as you keep bringing up but you refuse to see the perspective of people who have not had the same opportunities as you. You justified your opportunity as being the same as anyone. Again that is a disconnect from the world of most people. You asked me to define wealth but I don't have to. Your perspective defines wealth. You are the primary spokesman for BFO's at least in word count on this forum. You have stated over and over your position about not needing government or community. How do you not see how these words will be understood by the masses? It is the reason I said we live in different worlds. Of course you are right in that we live in the same world with different perspectives but my point is that you have entitled yourself to one set of values over all other values. I am not exactly clear of conscience in that I have also put my set of values over others but I am aware that I have the potential to do this and determined to be better. I am certain you will continue to slice and dice and I will read your comments several times to make sure I am "listening" to your perspective and of course the evidence that you present for your perspective. Oh, yes I sometimes dream that I can afford to be an idealist but every time I do I wake up to a bunch of bills that must be paid

 

[mputnal]

FBB one more thing about our economic system. It is broken. The reason it is broken is because of monopolization of resources. Capitalism is moving away from the free market system. Too big to fail has weakened the free market system but citizens united might have been a fatal blow. Yes, my opinion seems bleak on the surface but the only way to fix Capitalism it to be aware of it's flaws. I strongly agree with you that it is the best economic system on this planet! BUT, it likely will not last forever if we get complacent and allow a company to be so big that the government bails it out when it gets itself in trouble. Failure is our best teacher in Capitalism. Work hard. Fail. Work harder. I agree with you about socialism but it will come if we don't fix the problems with Capitalism. Nothing gets better without some amount of critical thought...

 

[FactorFiction]

Hello everyone! I was told this was a good place to discuss issues.

Welcome! Jump right in! You'll learn some interesting things here.

 

[Beach Front Owner]

Welcome! Jump right in! You'll learn some interesting things here.

Thank you ever so much for the welcome!

My crushing issue at the present moment is the dearth of duck liver Pâté in 30A. My precious poodles Dustin and Sydney will not touch their kibble without a generous dollop. I found goose liver Pâté but they have always abhorred goose in any form. The poor darlings haven't eaten since we disembarked the Gulfstream on Tuesday. If a proper Pâté cannot be found here then I will have it flown in I suppose. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

[mputnal]

Greetings BEACH FRONT OWNER! I am from the planet Earth. From what Star System did you come? The language you use sounds like maybe you are from the far away planet called Wealth. The language sounds similar to others that are here. Do you come in Peace?

 

[FactorFiction]

Greetings BEACH FRONT OWNER! I am from the planet Earth. From what Star System did you come? The language you use sounds like maybe you are from the far away planet called Wealth. The language sounds similar to others that are here. Do you come in Peace?

I'm a bit suspicious that the over the top verbiage and description of life's travails indicate that beachfront owner is a rogue with an ax to grind.

 

[BlueMtnBeachVagrant]

I am greatly saddened and disappointed today here on SoWal.