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mputnal

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Nov 10, 2009
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You are the voice of reason! We need people like you in this community. Thank you for creating this thread!
 

Reggie Gaskins

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Oct 4, 2018
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Good Will and Sense of Community will be slow to return to the hearts of BPO’s who have been drug through the mud, personally attacked, unfairly disparaged in the public square. HOWEVER, those charitable gestures will be necessary. And, with the right leadership from within, it can be expedited. That leadership is readily available and willing when the timing is right.
 

Dave Rauschkolb

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Jul 13, 2005
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‘Teach your children well. That’s still a pretty universal sentiment these days isn’t it? Like all parents, we endeavor to give our rising-8th grader opportunities to grow and learn.

‘This Summer he’s helped with yard work in the neighborhood, saving his own money to buy an agility ladder to work on footwork to improve his basketball game. He’s set an alarm for 6 am to get down to the beach and work out. He’s walked from our Gulfview Heights neighborhood to the beach access he’s used year-round since we moved to Santa Rosa Beach when he was four years old. He picks a quiet spot by Draper Lake’s outflow and runs drills in the sand. And this weekend, a representative of The Retreat, with a “Private Property” sandwich board in hand, told him he had to leave.

‘That’s the story. Feel free to let it affect you however you’d like. Of course, as you can imagine, his father and I are beyond disappointed that anyone would discourage a kid from quietly getting some exercise on an empty beach at daybreak. Pretty much textbook definition of Customary Use that’s innocent and positive and not hurting a soul. In our estimation, the only souls in jeopardy are those who think running off a 12 year old (from an otherwise deserted beach) is a good choice.’

—Sarah Robertson
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*Reposted with original poster’s express permission.
 

FloridaBeachBum

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Feb 9, 2017
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"Teach your children well. That’s still a pretty universal sentiment these days isn’t it?"

Dave Rauschkolb, mputnal did not venture an answer to this question #1019, 1026; how about you?
Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
FactorFiction has made the point multiple times and asked the questions on many occasions with no credible CU response.

How many of the 1,193 beachfront parcels are posting signs or fences on private beach or keep people off their private beachfront property? 597=50%? 298=25%? 12=1%. Less than 1%? What would/do you base your answer on? Anti-social media?

A reply that even one BFO is too many; is an emotional not-credible not relevant answer.
mputnal's reply; "I do not know the number but I assume the number will grow based on your posts and other BFO's." was a not a credible answer either. Just an uninformed opinion based on what? Like the Walton economy will be a ghost town without CU - but the TDC tourist tax data says otherwise.

There are at least 13 miles of PUBLIC beaches and 26 miles of Florida's 825 miles of public foreshore to workout on and enjoy. Yes?
Define the scope and credibility of this CU issue - or this is not a relevant legitimate issue - except to incite the public masses on social media.

Far from textbook of the legal definition of ancient English public customary use of private property. Did the BFO/BPO do anything wrong or illegal that if any other Walton property property owner did would be publicly called out for in the public forum like you have and just did? The court of public opinion will not not relevant in a legal due process court of law.
What about teaching children respect for other people's property - like you would want others to respect your private property that you own and pay property taxes on?

#998 Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
"I teach my kids to respect others, respect the law and law enforcement, to stand up for your rights, don’t be taken advantage of, know the facts before you act, and be kind." What about CU believers too?
 
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Reggie Gaskins

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Oct 4, 2018
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‘Teach your children well. That’s still a pretty universal sentiment these days isn’t it? Like all parents, we endeavor to give our rising-8th grader opportunities to grow and learn.

‘This Summer he’s helped with yard work in the neighborhood, saving his own money to buy an agility ladder to work on footwork to improve his basketball game. He’s set an alarm for 6 am to get down to the beach and work out. He’s walked from our Gulfview Heights neighborhood to the beach access he’s used year-round since we moved to Santa Rosa Beach when he was four years old. He picks a quiet spot by Draper Lake’s outflow and runs drills in the sand. And this weekend, a representative of The Retreat, with a “Private Property” sandwich board in hand, told him he had to leave.

‘That’s the story. Feel free to let it affect you however you’d like. Of course, as you can imagine, his father and I are beyond disappointed that anyone would discourage a kid from quietly getting some exercise on an empty beach at daybreak. Pretty much textbook definition of Customary Use that’s innocent and positive and not hurting a soul. In our estimation, the only souls in jeopardy are those who think running off a 12 year old (from an otherwise deserted beach) is a good choice.’

—Sarah Robertson
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*Reposted with original poster’s express permission.

Let's do just that, let's teach our children well;
Dave, Since you won’t ever answer direct questions, but feel compelled to carpet bomb social media with emotional stories... Let’s pretend we’re this boy’s parent. Here’s how that conversation and teaching might go...
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Johnny, were you being rude or disrespectful? No? Good, because we’ve brought you up to respect others’ property.

Johnny, did you apologize for trespassing and introduce yourself with a handshake? Oh, well Johnny, we’ve taught you to be responsible for your actions, and treat others with respect. Maybe he would have invited you to stay and finish your workout if you acted politely and maturely.

Johnny, remember, this man has been attacked and vilified on social media just because of his address, he probably assumed you were there to attack him too.

Johnny, did you immediately leave private property when requested? Good!

Johnny, since the beach was deserted, as you said it was, did you continue your workout at the early morning “deserted” public access? No? Why not? Johnny, are you acting like a victimized, entitled brat? Are you using this man’s defensive posture against those attacking him and his property as an excuse to get out of your workout?
Get back down to the beach and find 20 square feet to use that ladder, now! While you’re at it, give me 50!

Johnny, you need to learn that just because you feel like you want to use something someone else has worked hard to purchase, you don’t have any right to it, by just coveting it and demanding it!

Johnny, this morning was a good lesson in property rights and how we all can work together. If we act properly, we can all get along and meet new friends along the way.
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Disclaimer: I’m sure the real young man in this story didn’t blow off his workout, I just added that part in for entertainment value.
 
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bob bob

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Mar 29, 2017
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Let's do just that, let's teach our children well;
Dave, Since you won’t ever answer direct questions, but feel compelled to carpet bomb social media with emotional stories... Let’s pretend we’re this boy’s parent. Here’s how that conversation and teaching might go...
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Johnny, were you being rude or disrespectful? No? Good, because we’ve brought you up to respect others’ property.

Johnny, did you apologize for trespassing and introduce yourself with a handshake? Oh, well Johnny, we’ve taught you to be responsible for your actions, and treat others with respect. Maybe he would have invited you to stay and finish your workout if you acted politely and maturely.

Johnny, remember, this man has been attacked and vilified on social media just because of his address, he probably assumed you were there to attack him too.

Johnny, did you immediately leave private property when requested? Good!

Johnny, since the beach was deserted, as you said it was, did you continue your workout at the early morning “deserted” public access? No? Why not? Johnny, are you acting like a victimized, entitled brat? Are you using this man’s defensive posture against those attacking him and his property as an excuse to get out of your workout?
Get back down to the beach and find 20 square feet to use that ladder, now! While you’re at it, give me 50!

Johnny, you need to learn that just because you feel like you want to use something someone else has worked hard to purchase, you don’t have any right to it, by just coveting it and demanding it!

Johnny, this morning was a good lesson in property rights and how we all can work together. If we act properly, we can all get along and meet new friends along the way.
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Disclaimer: I’m sure the real young man in this story didn’t blow off his workout, I just added that part in for entertainment value.
:doh:
 

mputnal

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Nov 10, 2009
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FBB I have answered your question and you have answered mine. My answer is "I do not know" the will of any BPO regarding if they will "share" their beach, if they will put up signs or barriers or only prevent "certain" people from sharing the beach. Your answer to my questions are that you know what is best for everyone based on a singular value. The more I read your posts the more I understand what you are about and it does not seem to have ANY room for good will. Please understand that I DO NOT KNOW EVERYTHING so it comes down to my perspective of the words that you type. Since I do not know you my perspective may or may not be fair to you. The more you type the more I am compelled to not trust you with the "right of exclusion" relevant to and exclusive to the "beach". IMO words on both sides of this issue have been politicized and divisive. I noticed this first on the CU side but now you have confirmed that the property rights side of this issue does the same thing! Calling people socialist or entitled and on and on is the same thing that the other side does yet you feel justified. The truth is that one bad apple spoils a whole bunch and you are the same as the CU supporters who did that. You want me to answer an irrelevant question so I will ask you how many of the hundreds of thousands of beach goers has disrespected you? I bet the percentage is less than .1%! If either side cared more about community and less about the agenda to discredit the other side then we may get to a compromise before this goes to eminent domain. The more I read this thread the less inclined I am to believe that this will come down to a compromise. All I can say about that is that I hope that you do not represent ALL BPO's and there are values outside that which you have stated.

Reggie, I have changed my mind on BPO's having the right of exclusion. I think I was wrong to believe in this to be a compromise for The People. The more I read your post and others I now believe that BPO's are in a group that are limited in ability to be fair and equal. Go back and read the posts by FBB. FBB has NO use for community or government to "interfere" in his/her life. Yet the community and government gave you the legal right to build a structure on a natural sand dune and block the views of tens of thousands of people that would like to see those beautiful sunsets as easy as you do. It seems clear that people who are wealthy enough to build on the beach are very good at justifying their success in an economic system that is not equal to all people. Your "Johnny boy" example of how a parent should raise their child up with one set of values over all other values is eye opening. If my son is not hurting anyone then he has a right to that part of the "beach" behind your building. It does not have anything to do with customary use. It has everything to do with good will and fair and equal distribution of resources. I must conclude that you prefer everyone to be punished for using the beach behind your building. Naw I ain't going to trust you with raising my son, deciding what values are important or excluding people based on your values...
 

bob1

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Jun 26, 2010
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FBB I have answered your question and you have answered mine. My answer is "I do not know" the will of any BPO regarding if they will "share" their beach, if they will put up signs or barriers or only prevent "certain" people from sharing the beach. Your answer to my questions are that you know what is best for everyone based on a singular value. The more I read your posts the more I understand what you are about and it does not seem to have ANY room for good will. Please understand that I DO NOT KNOW EVERYTHING so it comes down to my perspective of the words that you type. Since I do not know you my perspective may or may not be fair to you. The more you type the more I am compelled to not trust you with the "right of exclusion" relevant to and exclusive to the "beach". IMO words on both sides of this issue have been politicized and divisive. I noticed this first on the CU side but now you have confirmed that the property rights side of this issue does the same thing! Calling people socialist or entitled and on and on is the same thing that the other side does yet you feel justified. The truth is that one bad apple spoils a whole bunch and you are the same as the CU supporters who did that. You want me to answer an irrelevant question so I will ask you how many of the hundreds of thousands of beach goers has disrespected you? I bet the percentage is less than .1%! If either side cared more about community and less about the agenda to discredit the other side then we may get to a compromise before this goes to eminent domain. The more I read this thread the less inclined I am to believe that this will come down to a compromise. All I can say about that is that I hope that you do not represent ALL BPO's and there are values outside that which you have stated.

Reggie, I have changed my mind on BPO's having the right of exclusion. I think I was wrong to believe in this to be a compromise for The People. The more I read your post and others I now believe that BPO's are in a group that are limited in ability to be fair and equal. Go back and read the posts by FBB. FBB has NO use for community or government to "interfere" in his/her life. Yet the community and government gave you the legal right to build a structure on a natural sand dune and block the views of tens of thousands of people that would like to see those beautiful sunsets as easy as you do. It seems clear that people who are wealthy enough to build on the beach are very good at justifying their success in an economic system that is not equal to all people. Your "Johnny boy" example of how a parent should raise their child up with one set of values over all other values is eye opening. If my son is not hurting anyone then he has a right to that part of the "beach" behind your building. It does not have anything to do with customary use. It has everything to do with good will and fair and equal distribution of resources. I must conclude that you prefer everyone to be punished for using the beach behind your building. Naw I ain't going to trust you with raising my son, deciding what values are important or excluding people based on your values...
From what I hear there is some very nasty chit going on. What you are seeing here is the con of polite veneer. It's all bs. Put it this way. There are plenty of beach front owners who would line the beach with bear traps and guns if they could.
 

FactorFiction

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Feb 18, 2016
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Sounds like the end of the road on this discussion. Sad. It looked so promising at one point.
 

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