Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy

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  1. FactorFiction

    FactorFiction Beach Fanatic

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    Thanks for posting this. Sad that any property is allowed to fall into this kind of disrepair regardless of where it is. It appears that the one with the rusted metal is for sale. Hopefully, someone will purchase it and make repairs.
     
  2. FactorFiction

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    I suspect the DEP is your best bet, but they aren't the epitome of enforcement either. One little bit of consolation is that a considerable number of retaining/seawalls are made of a composite material that doesn't rust.
     
  3. Alex Miles

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    Everyone agrees there are isolated problem areas along our beaches. Different conflicts crop up over the years, and they always will. Each problem needs to be addressed specifically and individually. But...

    Is that any reason to sue thousands of innocent homeowners to confiscate their private property without compensation and turn the commercial control of their private property over to Walton County? Tell me, how much do you trust the ever-changing leadership, historical record, and ethical intent of the local government? Do you ever put yourself in the shoes of a BPO and think about it in these terms? The large numbers of defendants who are paying monthly legal fees certainly do. And we're talking millions of dollars have already been spent, before the motions to dismiss can even be heard, by a court that is dragging its feet, and plaintiffs who are either unmotivated or incompetent in even correctly noticing the defendants. They bit off more than they can chew. And they know it.

    Because of isolated problems like this seawall, or some grumpy old man, is that any reason to divide thousands of neighbors, with a tabloid-driven social media circus filled with such complete misrepresentations and outright falsehoods, and with a direct campaign of such true hatred, that knows no bounds? But hey, the anti-social media activists are going to learn eventually, that growing Twitter followers doesn't mean anything in a court of law. But at what cost? Such deep, painful cultural damage... born out of injustice in the court of public opinion.
     
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  4. Alex Miles

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    I see Dave deleted his screenshot of the Beprow Twitter page. Gee... I wonder why.
     
  5. SUP View

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    Good points Alex Miles.

    I agree with the opinion of many along 30A, BFO's and non-BFO's, that the whole CU push is losing steam. The law and facts will supersede group-think emotion. The educated people on both sides of the issue realize the incredible county tax dollar waste with the lawsuit, the seemingly unwillingness of the WCC to work toward a compromise, and the reality that there is plenty of beach for everyone. It really is unfortunate that the WCC selected this path.
     
  6. FloridaBeachBum

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    outofadream Mary B. (name posted in other SoWal forums), just a few questions, respectfully;

    What does the beachfront property condition, judged good or bad by you are anyone else, have to do with CU? This is not a thread on code enforcement. Suggest starting a new different thread so as not to side track this thread.

    The thread, originally titled “Customary Use Will Destroy Our 30A Legacy”(1), is about the ancient English common law of public customary use of private property (CU), the impact on local area beachfront property rights (BPOs are “de novo” Defendants) and pubic use, and the Credibility of CU private property and public beach use of private property beliefs.

    In your photos can you or any believer show any Government authority has charged any BPO in violation of any law or regulation today; other than your and other believer’s opinions? Do you think posting the owner’s property and ranting on social media is useful or helpful except to dox the property owner without the facts? Maybe there is not any legal violations, maybe there is, but lets have facts and not internet rants? #414 “I’m struck by how unverified opinions and beliefs in online forums ...” Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy

    The property looks to be for rent, not for sale, but you or anyone can make an offer to purchase and choose to do what they wish with the property. To share the dry sand or not, to post First Amendment protected signs or not, to invest in new improvements or not, or give the property fee simple to Walton County and the “public” or not (the public can not own property). But the owner does not have the choice to pay Walton police power mandated taxes or not without legal consequences. Walton Police Powers may be able to tell owners How to use their private property but not WHO can use their private property (per USA Constitution and FS163.035).
    2 BMB Access Rental Deck.jpg 1 BMB Access Rental Aerial.jpg

    It has been well establish by the court and publicly available legal documents that none of the BMB beachfront to the MHWL is public property on the original plat; including the 70 foot wide platted road (now Hwy 83) that ends Before the “BEACH” on the west side of the plat where the “public” beach access is today. Would be interesting to determine how this 70 foot wide beach was conveyed to the Walton County. The BMB1 owned platted BEACH is legally accessible to the BMB Subdivision No. 1 Owners only. #2072 Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
    1948 BMB1 Plat.jpg Walton PA BMB Hwy 83 beach access.jpg

    (1) A legacy the past 20 years before Walton Commissioners’ TDC started taxing tourist and spending $20,000,000 annually to bring the public masses to the area but never thinking about the impact on the local quality of life or infrastructure. Just the tourist $$$$.
     

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  7. bob1

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    The current owner of that property is responsible for the code compliance of the property. The county should add fines every day. Fines become a lien on the property and it can't be sold until the lien is paid.
     
  8. Alex Miles

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    Bob1, those kinds of specific suggestions are much more appropriate than just blindly and expensively suing everyone on the coastline without even approaching any other homeowners with any other options offered. But the activists got everybody worked up in an emotion-filled hysterical frenzy. Social media censorship helped them promote their cause tremendously, with such unreasonable one-sided viewpoints disseminated, that very poor choices have been made by the county.
     
  9. outofadream

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    Hey Florida beach bum… I posted it on this thread because I knew I could reach a lot of people who are following all of the ranting...including yours...over the last several months...Take a look at what you just wrote...king of rants LOL I’m not partial to either side in this craziness called customer use versus beachfront owner. It’s gotten insane. Anybody who values these beautiful beaches must agree that these unsightly Seawalls and other issues on OUR BEACHES need to be addressed and enforced. Just Saying...smile you won’t crack your face
     
  10. Rachael Ashman McKee

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    Because for twelve years there has been someone on the beach explaining proper use. That’s why
     
  11. Rachael Ashman McKee

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    PS: who is Dana Marie? I have received several emails from this person/SoWal to respond
     
  13. SUP View

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    mputnal said:
    On your parcel do you put up fence or other means of delineating a private specific use? If not then how would you expect a beach user to interpret your private specific use?

    The key word here is "private".

    And it is developers, business owners, and surfer vigilantes that are wearing the "Team Power Broker" jerseys as they push the CU narrative.

    The BFO's just want the rights to their legally obtained property to remain in their respective control.

    It is the USA.
     
  14. DanaMarie

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    Hi, Rachael, it's DanaMarie. I haven't emailed you. You were invited to a Conversation started by another member, as was I, and I posted to that conversation. Maybe that is why you got a notification and thought it was an email from me.
     
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    SUP View, I really enjoyed the book Victims of Groupthink. I read it many years ago and its lessens have stuck with me. Look how well the "groupthink" mentally worked out for JFK in the Bay of Pigs fiasco (NOT!).
     
  16. FloridaBeachBum

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    Hey Mary B., for someone in Sep who called for the public customary use thread to be shut down because “of hate and rants.” #1483 9/4/2019, then post photos of private property on the CU thread and make BPO judgments -- without any facts seems disingenuous. Except to vilify a BPO and BPO social media doxing. Would you like it if someone did what you have on your private property in north BMB without any facts? OUR beaches has always been and is legally the foreshore sand seaward of the MHWL property boundary. Not too many issues there. But if you have some facts about BPO code violations - please start a thread and inform us there.

    DanaMarie, the anti-social media and misinformation has not worked out well for the largest democratic parliamentary republic in the world - India. “India, where roughly 450 million people have smartphones, is already struggling with a huge fake news problem with misinformation having led to mass beatings and mob lynchings.” Fake Videos, Photos And Messages Circulate On Social Media Amid India Pakistan Tensions
     
  17. SUP View

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    Yup.

    “The beatings will continue until moral improves”.
     
  18. outofadream

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    Calm down man or woman I’m more on the side of Beach front owners then CU..The irresponsible obnoxious disrespectful behavior of people who are visitors here disgusts me and most residents and friends just as much as it does you. If real and consistent ENFORCEMENT had been done the last several years rather than appeasing the tourists a lot of this could’ve been avoided...take a chill pill
     
  19. leeboy

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    Beachfront owners playing the victim whining whining poor me oh poor me CU is so mean.

    Does that actually work for anyone?
     
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  20. jodiFL

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    Do you know how the ol' Huckster came to be a resident of our beaches? Do you think that the fact we have no state income tax here had anything to do with his move to Florida? Maybe you should read up on how he and his buddy Haak came about building on a "unbuildable" lots. How they managed to get houses built on the beach to start with has me irritated.
     

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