Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy

Discussion in 'Local Government and Groups' started by Reggie Gaskins, Apr 25, 2019.

  1. Reggie Gaskins

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    Well done! Thank you for the intelligent, linear thought with cause & effect logic. You, my friend, are a breath of fresh air. Quick answer to your question is no, I do not. There is indeed great socioeconomic imbalance with stacked decks based on many soft and hard variables. But hey, life is NOT FAIR! Regardless of how much we’d like, it never will be. And that’s actually a good thing. I’ve been at both extreme ends of that imbalance. I'd like nothing more than for you and I to carry this discussion forward in a vacuum and solve this together. Won't happen. So here's a reply...
    I'm all about perspectives. My journey has been long and very, very, wide. Perception is reality, I've written reams on that. (Under my Pen Name) With sincere respect, you entirely missed on what you assumed is my agenda. Right of exclusion, yes, undeniably, it's Constitutional discipline. Unilaterally? No, not here. That WAS the 30A legacy, we all got along. But that's where the fuse was lit. Certain little wealthy persons with greedy personal agendas, who live behind gated security fortress & fences, hoarding their private beaches, whipping up a public frenzy against folks owning private beaches. Irony? Exploiting natural public greed for a neighbor's sand, wife, dog, or car is not a sustainable strategy. It collapses under the weight on either side of the fulcrum. Expecting one to pay a premium for any asset, regardless of public opinion, as long as there are laws governing the transaction, then reversing that ownership AND THE RIGHTS THAT OWNER HAS LAWFULLY ENJOYED, and reversing it without compensation, is either stealing, or government taking (same thing). The answer to your desire for a kinder more tolerable sharing culture is impossible when the public is deliberately misled by extreme activists unwilling to compromise and let the truth be known. When every CU proponent gives up his property to use by Native Americans, or allow your neighbors to commercially rent their houses for dollars, complete with using YOUR pool at no charge, then we can reach your Utopian existence. See how absurd that sounds?
    For the record, you’re also wrong on your assumptions of my:
    working hard for a beach house, my current wealth status, taking what I need, giving back, and most of all - my agenda. I have none. My purpose is to shed light on reality where heretofore there has been none, so that newly educated peeps can decide for themselves on which side of the CU issue they are most comfortable. Then they will realize that either way this journey ends, CU will destroy our 30A legacy.
     
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  2. Poppaj

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    Truth leaves an even better aftertaste. Your post attempts to legitimize itself by claiming it was authored by D. R. Kamerschen but he claims he never wrote it. Before submitting something as fact next time do a simple fact check.
    Dr. Kamerschen denial on his personal web page.
     
  3. Freebeachfan

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    The beaches have always been shared, and the sand is not taxed so get real.
     
  4. FloridaBeachBum

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    Just to clear any suspicions and conspiracy theories;
    MRBS: I get the feeling that the folks opposed to CU in this thread are just trying to goad pro CU folks into making comments that can be used in the opposition's lawsuit. Maybe not but I have a suspicious mind.
    Customary Use Will Destroy Our 30A Legacy
    LC Bane: Something doesn't feel right about this entire thread. Can't put my finger on it but it doesn't seem genuine for some reason. Reads more like a game of chess rather than a discussion. Lots of subtle taunts and manipulation.
    Customary Use Will Destroy Our 30A Legacy



    The return of SOWAL.COM
    May 18, 2019
    By James G. Lince

    sowal.com has returned as a hot bed for CU debate - good to see it as sowal.com is the only public (not private aka "secret") forum in the new public square where the actual public not on any particular platform can see some of the CU activism that's taken place. However, the mob doesn't show itself on sowal.com - that can only be found on Facebook in the private Walton County Ideas for Visioning and Quality of Life page - that's where the mob lives and is fed daily red meat about evil greedy BFO's. But the return of sowal is positive and as much as it frosts poor Teresa's screen to see anyone go against the CU narrative, she has been a good sport.

    Before the handful (well less than 30) of CU Agitators get any fresh ideas to open yet another false police report on me, James Lince...

    I, James Lince have not posted on sowal.com since March 2018, when my account ("formosa64") was banned for being just too mean to David Rauschkolb. 100% fact. Formosa64's posts are still there on sowal.com anyone can search for them. Yep, that's me.

    I certainly do read sowal.com as a member of the public and community. You don't need an account on sowal.com to read it, as it should be for any community site.

    But, I, James Lince do not have an account on sowal.com, not under my name, or any anonymous name, I am not using anyone else's account, nor am I hacking into sowal.com. 100% fact.

    For all you conspiracy types who really think it's just 30 or so people and most of the anti-CU activity has been by me (a pretty idiotic view given there are thousands against CU, factually documented in the county lawsuit)...I, James Lince am NOT Reggie Gaskins.

    Let's repeat: I, James Lince have NOT and am NOT posting on sowal.com or Walton County Ideas for Visioning and Quality of Life under any account whatsoever. When you see a post from me, James Lince, it will have my name.

    And again, I haven't been on Walton County Ideas for Visioning and Quality of Life since July, 2018 when I left on my own and started my own Facebook group. I'm not the one taking screen shots.
     
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  5. FloridaBeachBum

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    Then why does the Assistant State Attorney and Walton Sheriff have a 2015 Standard Operating Procedure for enforcing private property rights to exclusive enjoyment of their property, if the owner so chooses, and why do I keep getting those pesky property tax bills based on my title deed to the MHWL from the Walton Commissioners?
     
  6. FloridaBeachBum

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    The intentions are to ensure 4,500+ beachfront owners and those that support private property rights know what the facts are and are not about property rights and public customary use of private property.
    To shine the light of verifiable information in an open forum on the facts of property rights and CU myths, misinformation, and ignorance. If you have alternative facts lets hear them. Questions have been asked about the ancient British historical doctrine of custom and it's many criteria. I have yet heard anyone address why they think 100 years is ancient use. That's not even as old as the English doctrine of custom is. Present quiet title facts no one has disputed. Show plat why Vizcaya has NEVER been a public beach and its Beach Access Easement is a pedestrian access to the foreshore only. Something maybe Daniel Ulhfelder could explain after his 3 staged for social medial trespass altercation with law enforcement?
    For CU Myth Busters facts look here >> Florida Coastal Property Rights
    WAVE FB for real vision in Walton >> Walton County WAVE
     
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  7. Poppaj

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    A successful CU court finding will eliminate those pesky tax bills and guess what, you will still be able to enjoy that portion of the beach and more because the public won’t be calling the sheriff to come kick you off.
     
  8. BeachSandpiper

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    Wow. Did I miss something in the current law? A Customary Use finding by the courts will change tax law? Please provide your reference for that information.
     
  9. Poppaj

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    Referring to portion of beach affected by CU.
     
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  10. Reggie Gaskins

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    Who knows anything about some guy in handcuffs on the beach Saturday near Sugar Dunes? Was it for trespassing on the private beach? Did a BFO finally get a trespassing arrest?
     
  11. BeachSandpiper

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    Where in the current law about Customary Use is there anything about taxes? Just trying to make sense of your statment.
     
  12. Jimmy T

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    A bunch of the content from this thread is being lifted into the creepy walton watchdog blog here:
    Walton Watchdog
    Lord only knows where else it's going. Careful, folks.
     
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  13. BeachSandpiper

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    "Where" is it going, Jimmy T? There is a big audience on SoWal forums. We are just having a constructive discussion. Does it matter if the info here is shared on other social media platforms? I think that sharing just gets more people involved in the discussion.
     
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    Once again, do not call out members for expressing opinions or having different views from your own. Please try to be respectful and discuss the issue, not people. Having this thread locked or deleted will not help anyone's cause.
     
  15. FactorFiction

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    I get it that there are people on this site that disagree with each other, but it really is a shame that both sides can't be expressed without assumptions and name calling. Whatever blog you are talking about is news to me, but the information and mostly constructive presentation of both sides was among the most civil and informative discussion I have seen anywhere. As always, there a few people that can't be civil anytime they are not in agreement on an issue. While it is clear that the leanings on this site are in favor of CU (and that's ok), it was refreshing to see that differing perspectives were allowed until "poof" all these accusations start flying and now perfectly civil postings have just vanished. It's too bad.

    PS By the way, what happened to Florida Beach Bum's responses?
     
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  16. EZ4144

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    Beaches should be free but were sold. Such a pity. The vultures are now home to roost and booting beach lovers off the beach. To say "CU people" are stirring up trouble is laughable.

    Whenever there is trouble in a SoWal neighborhood or community it is always old rich people with nothing to do but spend their dyind days becoming Scrooge. BAH HUMBUG should be the beach booters slogan.
     
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    Jenksy, the man (JL) doesn't seem to have a bit of problem owning what he says, whether anyone likes it or not.
     
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    The stereotyping that goes on on social media sites is unreal! Do you think everybody who believes in CU is alike? Do they all go out and stir up trouble on a known private beach that has consistently enforced its private nature? Have YOU actually been kicked off the beach? Do you really think "it is always old rich people with nothing to do buy spend their dying days becoming Scrooge? Without naming anyone, how many of these "old rich people" do you actually know that are kicking people off the beach? If it's less than a handful, why not go to a different area? People keep complaining constantly about various situations on the beach and yet I have not met one person who has actually had a problem and I talk to lots of people every day. Does that mean that NOBODY has been asked to move or had the Sheriff called on them? NO, but it doesn't seem to be the widespread problem that social media would lead people to believe exists. It almost seems as though some of the people who depend the most on tourism are the quickest to spread news making it sound like there is nowhere to go to the beach. That just isn't true and anyone who actually goes to the beach knows it.
     
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    I have been labed an activist in that blog. Now that is hillarious! I have to wonder what the criteria was to earn that title?
     
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    Agree BMBV. I avoid using anti public customary use of private property description. Advocate for Constitutional due process and private property rights; Walton beachfront owners have had since 1776 and have to this day.

    Some will say there has been affirmed customary use of all Walton private beaches. I disagree. Even the Walton Commissioner's April 1 (funny, April fools day) 2017 ordinance "affirming" public customary use of private property by declaration of 5 elected politicians BEFORE presenting evidence in court FIRST was under legal Appeal until a super majority of the Florida House and Senate and Governor recognized the lack of due process and preempted the Appeal court the following July 1, 2018, to prevent any other local Florida government from doing what Walton commissioners did, with FS 163.035. Private property rights recognized since 1776 and today except CU affirmed by five elected officials under Appeal for 15 months and rejected by the 2018 FL Legislators and Governor is a questionable claim.
    House Bill 631 (2018) - The Florida Senate
     
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