Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy

[DanaMarie]

Okay so I am going to ask you to please be respectful. You obviously know my business but I do not know yours which is okay as long as we are civil. BTW the organic life of a pine needle is very similar to the life of many agricultural products which are consumed. Both are consumed. One is consumed by humans and other organic life and the other is consumed by the elements that make up earth. Sand is different. It is not consumed. It has a shelf life of forever and it does not stay in any one place.

I really do not have a problem with those bfo's who saved their money to build on the beach or those that had the property handed down. We are talking modest and many are on pilings which I believe is less exclusive. Now imagine the beaches lined with visually exclusive mega-mansions as you say. Add to that the exclusive use of the beach behind the exclusive mega-mansions. This will happen in the near future because this is a valuable resource and guess who already owns over 50% of our available land resources? Okay so you say you are okay with that but I am not okay with that so do we keep arguing about who is right and who is wrong or just let the court figure it out? This is not a court room and we all have opinions! Your opinion is important. My opinion is important. Yes even these power brokers have an opinion and it is important. But the point is we are expressing opinions. When there are facts on both sides we as a community need to find compromises. If one side will not listen to the facts of the other side or attack those facts as being less than then we have a problem of civility and respect. We can argue all day and night and not solve anything that way and actually make things worse. That is what this thread intended. Create enough fear and anger that the government can take away your property rights and well isn't it obvious what the reaction will be?

My point here is that we just need to listen to each other and figure out a compromise. Apparently the County realized that something changed on our beaches regarding shared enjoyment and they had to do something about it. I am not letting the County off with being without fault here but what else could they do? The power brokers are adamant on exclusion. There are no other disputes regarding property rights but that power to exclude people from the beach. Those bfo's that you are referring to have always practiced shared enjoyment of the beach but something changed. Do you think it is possible that those with political influence believe that the Supreme Court will agree with exclusive private beach enjoyment? If you do I see a big risk in that it will be costly and not a slam dunk. We did take land from the native Americans and sent them packing. How do you get around that? Coastal boundaries are constantly changing because the forces of nature are greater than the forces of man. How do you get around that? Land use is a conservative application of property law and the public has no way of knowing where property lines are. How do you get around that? The Sandy beaches were formed in the sea and deposited on the coastline so who owns the sand. How do you get around that. When a public recreational beach uses the beach where are the boundaries? How do you get around that. Of course the power brokers have facts but there are many facts here that our Justice System will now have to figure out because the community was not able to compromise on exclusive private enjoyment or shared public enjoyment. It just seems like common sense should have led to a compromise but why do you think compromise was not an option? Because elite power does not compromise...

Mputnal...in what way was my post disrespectful?

 

[stone packard]

You mean socialists confiscating land like this?
As government prepares to seize more land for a border wall, some Texas landowners prepare to fight

Would you boycott this socialist store?
When the only grocery in a deep red town closed, the city opened its own store. Just don’t call it ‘socialism.’ - The Boston Globe

For one thing, I'm not in favor a a border wall. Secondly, did I say anything about boycotting a business? I still use the USPS when I send out Christmas cards. And I even rode on AmTrack once.

 

[mputnal]

And there it is folks...

Elitism, Exclusion and Abusive Power crying about having to share...

And there it is, folks.
The Customary Use battle cry of Socialism.

 

[30A Skunkape]

Just think, if the socialists win enough elections, eventually there won't even be private property, much less private property rights. While they're confiscating stuff that they think we shouldn't have, why not just confiscate our land, houses, businesses, and everything else. Then, in theory, it really will be "the people's beaches".

It isn't just the socialists that grab land. Looks like the capitalists do it, too. 'Without just compensation': Louisiana gives pipeline owners broad authority to seize land

 

[mputnal]

Fbb, I think it is more like you are trying to avoid the truth. I wonder why!

Try as you might to link me to socialism you will fail because I am linked to reality and awareness. Your efforts to use words like Marxist, Socialist and Communist only proves that you have lived your life with many many entitlements that you have NOT earned otherwise you would not fear the truth of what makes this Country strong. The Middle Class and the Working Class is the back bone of this Country and you are doing your best to break it by hoarding resources like the coastal sandy beach. It is quite revealing the way Elite Wealth and Power believe in their importance. Your every post solidifies my awareness.

 

[Alex Miles]

You are brilliant. Thank you for speaking truth to power.

Truth to.... "power"? Really?

BPOs don't have the power of the local leftist social media. (But, at least thank you to SoWal for being the one remaining local site that does not censor BPO fact-based arguments, at least not as much as the others.)

BPOs don't have the power of the local law enforcement protecting their legal property rights.

BPOs don't have the strong powerful voice of the TDC profit machine behind them.

It might surprise you all to know that the BPOs that I know are actually using their retirement savings to pay for these all these attorneys to defend themselves against the attack by the county and activists.

Just because BPOs can afford to hire attorneys, thanks to their decades of strong work ethic and living within a budget below their means, don't fall for the clever class warfare tactics of labeling BPOs as greedy and rich.

Stop trying to redistribute wealth. Redistribute work ethic instead.

The notion of entitlement goes both ways. We are all entitled to own private property in America. Just because you don't like it, doesn't entitle you to take it away from us. That's what greed is.

Isn't it funny to watch high-powered capitalists in our community try to make money riding the wave of socialism, hoping to redistribute others' wealth....for their own personal commercial benefit. Actually it's not funny at all.

 

[mputnal]

DM, I am surprised that you are asking this question. You probably should know the answer to your own question. I did not say you were disrespectful and I just wanted to keep it that way. Respect is important right?

Fbb, one more thing. Since we have not established that you have a shadow are we sure you even got a belly button

 

[mputnal]

Am, best I can tell your formula of productivity is zero. Put another way: Work Ethic times entitlement equals zero productivity. It is the nature of elite wealth to sit back and let the money roll in just from owning the majority of the resource. I understand why you are desperate to lead The People away from the truth!

 

[Stone Cold J]

Post #2089 “As I’ve said before I acknowledge private property but as long as people behave correctly on beach private property and follow whatever rules the county adopts then this truly could be solved.”

Post #2089 “ The only thing I’ve been uncompromising about is the ability of beachfront owners to exclude people from the sandy parts of the beach.”

The Walton County Private Property Owners have had property rights ever since the State of Florida awarded Private Property Deeds (since Florida became a State on March 3, 1845 which is a time when the memory of man runs not to the contrary of it).

Post #2089 states you acknowledge private property but you are a leader of FBFA which is listed as a plaintiff in a lawsuit to remove (take, steal) the private property rights which have been held in time immemorial, from the private property owners (without compensation) and GIVE EXCLUSIVE CONTROL to the BCC to allow unlimited people with unlimited beach equipment from the toe of the dune to the deeded property line AGAINST THE WILL OF THE PROPERTY OWNER. According to the 2016 BBC Minutes, the driving force appears to be financial driven by chasing billions of tourists’ dollars. This act would remove a large portion of the Florida Property Rights, which are also listed on the Walton County Web Site.

So how exactly are you acknowledging private property rights?

 

[DanaMarie]

DM, I am surprised that you are asking this question. You probably should know the answer to your own question. I did not say you were disrespectful and I just wanted to keep it that way. Respect is important right?


mputnal, I thought you were implying my post was disrespectful. Sure seemed like that to me. But, you say you were not, so I will take you at your word, and I apologize for the misunderstanding. We both agree my post/response to you was not disrespectful in any way. Seems we actually agree on something.