This forum seems to be a court of public opinion with a bias toward Old English Common Law, which isn't the law of the land.
Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
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Am, please do not ask me questions unless you can handle the truth.
Exclusive rights to exclude anyone at anytime for any reason from the sandy coastal beach is not a power that you should be entrusted with. The reasons are obvious. Abuse of power is the reality of people who are connected with money and politics. Read more history. Heck just go back and read these posts from your group.
If you wanted exclusive private enjoyment of a natural resource like the beach I think you must have been well lets just say you were thinking with your money and abusive power NOT with reason or with a sense of community or civility and definitely not with a sense of an equal distribution of resources.
Your group has enlightened me regarding how elite wealth and power can justify their desires for exclusivity. In the future I will advise anyone that I communicate with to beware of elite wealth and power's inability to connect to anything other than money and politics. You DO NOT and WILL NOT ever have anyone's interest in mind except yours. I hope The People will eventually see through the political polarization that is preventing us from finding ways to equally distribute our resources...
The reason why The People are asking the court to support the declaration of CU is because of people like your group who abuse power. I think it was a small number of bpo's who want exclusive private enjoyment or are not willing to share the enjoyment of the beach with their community. Your group has mislead them IMO.
Power brokers are those who believe in their greatness and exclusive rights to resources like the coastal sandy beach.
If I were a bpo I would not join the lawsuit. I would probably have a hard time sleeping at night if I did. I sincerely hope that these arguments go before the Supreme Court.
In America Democracy means something, Civility should mean something and an Equal Distribution of Resources is the hope and dreams of this great Country...
Exclusive rights to exclude anyone at anytime for any reason from the sandy coastal beach is not a power that you should be entrusted with. The reasons are obvious. Abuse of power is the reality of people who are connected with money and politics. Read more history. Heck just go back and read these posts from your group.
If you wanted exclusive private enjoyment of a natural resource like the beach I think you must have been well lets just say you were thinking with your money and abusive power NOT with reason or with a sense of community or civility and definitely not with a sense of an equal distribution of resources.
Your group has enlightened me regarding how elite wealth and power can justify their desires for exclusivity. In the future I will advise anyone that I communicate with to beware of elite wealth and power's inability to connect to anything other than money and politics. You DO NOT and WILL NOT ever have anyone's interest in mind except yours. I hope The People will eventually see through the political polarization that is preventing us from finding ways to equally distribute our resources...
The reason why The People are asking the court to support the declaration of CU is because of people like your group who abuse power. I think it was a small number of bpo's who want exclusive private enjoyment or are not willing to share the enjoyment of the beach with their community. Your group has mislead them IMO.
Power brokers are those who believe in their greatness and exclusive rights to resources like the coastal sandy beach.
If I were a bpo I would not join the lawsuit. I would probably have a hard time sleeping at night if I did. I sincerely hope that these arguments go before the Supreme Court.
In America Democracy means something, Civility should mean something and an Equal Distribution of Resources is the hope and dreams of this great Country...
Ah, Florida Beach Bum thanks so much for placing links to the many reasoned responses I have posted regarding this issue. Here's one that really says it all. An oldie but a goodie.
"OK, Fact Or Fiction appreciate your point it is density driven and the concern is that there’s too many people and too many variances given. That’s why I worked very hard for three years with amazing people I am now lifelong friends with and are on both sides of the aisle and even this issue. And I spent nearly $40,000 of my own money to rally support to incorporate South Walton but those worried about taxes going up crushed that opportunity to have local representation. And some others who don’t want any control over development had a considerable influence as well.
The thing that bothers me is that those who are here and have theirs are trying to say I’ve got mine and we don’t want anybody else. Well, that’s not the way it works. Special places attract people and the people who invariably come require infrastructure and accommodations where they want to recreate. I’ve said it 1 million times “these are the good old days for the people just now moving here.”. Like in any city rules are created and enforcement is essential. If people don’t follow the rules and they are not enforced then there is anarchy. No one wants that so yes, we have to hold a representative officials accountable. However, changing the rules so drastically that it eliminates large swaths of the very reason why people come here is not acceptable under any conditions. I was the first person to step up and offer solutions that actually were adopted. I engaged with beachfront owners to try to solve the problem but the die was cast and they wanted the whole apple and they currently have it. I truly believe that it’s temporary though.
I’m willing to sit down and work on solutions and I appreciate the fact that you addressed to me civilly without attacking me. By nature I’m an out-of-the-box thinker and a problem solver but this recent legislation in my book was yes, criminal and drastic and way out of line. So, how do we walk that back and restore our beaches to some semblance of shareable order? I’m wide-open to suggestions that don’t include excluding the public from using the sandy parts of the beaches as long as they follow the rules.
One thing we seem to agree on is that the vending of Beach Chairs in the current incarnation has greatly exacerbated the problem and no vending should be allowed on any county public beaches the way it is currently set up. If someone wants to go to a county public beach and call up a phone number and have someone deliver some chairs and an umbrella in no specified zone that should be allowed, but only that. The rest of the county public beaches should be wide open for anyone to set up anywhere they wish; First come first served.
As I’ve said before I acknowledge private property but as long as people behave correctly on beach private property and follow whatever rules the county adopts then this truly could be solved.
So again, To speak to your point those 4 million visitors can easily be educated; The TDC has plenty of money to educate people about the rules.
Do we really want Walton county to be the county in America that set the precedent that privatized beaches across the Nation? Or, do we want to be the beach community that figured it out and worked out a fair solution? The only thing I’ve been uncompromising about is the ability of beachfront owners to exclude people from the sandy parts of the beach. There’s plenty of compromise when it comes to setting up rules on those sandy parts.
So I feel like I’ve given you a reasonable and respectful answer that offer solutions. And again, I appreciate the tenor of your response to my comments.
Very best regards,
Dave Rauschkolb"
And there it is folks, the screaming faux knee jerk fear of socialism when all that was mentioned was our natural resources.
Just think, if the socialists win enough elections, eventually there won't even be private property, much less private property rights. While they're confiscating stuff that they think we shouldn't have, why not just confiscate our land, houses, businesses, and everything else. Then, in theory, it really will be "the people's beaches".
mputnal, can you handle the truth?
Statement #2088 "... Equal Distribution of Resources is the hope and dreams of this great Country." Wow!
Of the many common forms of Government power 20 Common Forms of Government — Study Starters
Egalitarianism is best represented by Communism "denotes an absence of class divisions, which inherently requires the subversion of the ruling class by the working class." and Socialism "A counterpoint to the competitive nature and unequal proclivities of capitalism, socialism has existed in many forms ..." address "Equal distribution of Resources".
What Is Socialism? | katherine pickering antonova “equal” distribution of resources, do we mean absolute equality
Does mputnal defined American Constitutional property rights "power" pass the "Envy Test"? Failing the Envy Test
What economic resource, after American legal private property, are next for "equal distribution of resources"?
You can't handle the truth - from A Few Good Men. Can not wait for the ad nauseam incredible class warfare diatribe.
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Dave Rauschkolb, "changing the rules so drastically that it eliminates large swaths of the very reason why people come here is not acceptable under any conditions." What "rules" or rule of law was changed? Have specific credible facts please.
"I’m willing to sit down and work on solutions ..." You individually and as on officer of Florida Beaches for All are intervening FOR Walton commissioners' CU litigation against 1,193 private beachfront parcels and 4,671 beachfront owners. You can not have it both ways.
"but this recent legislation [FS163.035 (formally HB631)] in my book was yes, criminal and drastic and way out of line." "I’m wide-open to suggestions that don’t include excluding the public from using the sandy parts of the beaches as long as they follow the rules." That belief qualifies as an "out-of-the-box thinker and a problem solver"?
"4 million visitors can easily be educated" about beach behavior and respect? Another in-credible progressive prediction.
Walton "county in America that set the precedent that privatized beaches across the Nation?" Hate to break the news to you but ALL Walton legally deeded private property to the MHWL (or ECL) has always been and is today private and can not be "privatized". Even with CU property is still privately owned property.
"The only thing I’ve been uncompromising about is the ability of beachfront owners to exclude people from the sandy parts of the beach. There’s plenty of compromise when it comes to setting up rules on those sandy parts." Yes, the American rule of law and private property owner Constitutional right to CHOOSE to invite anyone they CHOOSE to share and public respect for those American rights is the "compromise". If the Walton Commissioners or you want to do their duty to address public beach behavior to respect American/Walton property rights and the Sherriff's duty to enforce public behavior; that'd be good too.
Here's a another oldie but goodie posts too after your #945.
#950 Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
#951 "Not worth my time to continue talking." Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy Another not credible statement shown (#2089) 1,138 posts previously. If there are any CU facts and not unsubstantiated beliefs; would like to hear them.
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bob1 are you related to bob bob? Like a belly button, every has an opinion and talk is cheap. We are dealing with the CREDIBILITY of facts and rule of law that reflect American values. Go over to Okaloosa Island to visit the miles of undeveloped/un-ruined US Government beaches. Just do not pass the restricted public access signs near Hurlburt the US Government has the "power" and right to restrict.
anonymous CU believer Pappj, if the shoe fits ... read the post links too.
Statement #2088 "... Equal Distribution of Resources is the hope and dreams of this great Country." Wow!
Of the many common forms of Government power 20 Common Forms of Government — Study Starters
Egalitarianism is best represented by Communism "denotes an absence of class divisions, which inherently requires the subversion of the ruling class by the working class." and Socialism "A counterpoint to the competitive nature and unequal proclivities of capitalism, socialism has existed in many forms ..." address "Equal distribution of Resources".
What Is Socialism? | katherine pickering antonova “equal” distribution of resources, do we mean absolute equality
Does mputnal defined American Constitutional property rights "power" pass the "Envy Test"? Failing the Envy Test
What economic resource, after American legal private property, are next for "equal distribution of resources"?
You can't handle the truth - from A Few Good Men. Can not wait for the ad nauseam incredible class warfare diatribe.
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Dave Rauschkolb, "changing the rules so drastically that it eliminates large swaths of the very reason why people come here is not acceptable under any conditions." What "rules" or rule of law was changed? Have specific credible facts please.
"I’m willing to sit down and work on solutions ..." You individually and as on officer of Florida Beaches for All are intervening FOR Walton commissioners' CU litigation against 1,193 private beachfront parcels and 4,671 beachfront owners. You can not have it both ways.
"but this recent legislation [FS163.035 (formally HB631)] in my book was yes, criminal and drastic and way out of line." "I’m wide-open to suggestions that don’t include excluding the public from using the sandy parts of the beaches as long as they follow the rules." That belief qualifies as an "out-of-the-box thinker and a problem solver"?
"4 million visitors can easily be educated" about beach behavior and respect? Another in-credible progressive prediction.
Walton "county in America that set the precedent that privatized beaches across the Nation?" Hate to break the news to you but ALL Walton legally deeded private property to the MHWL (or ECL) has always been and is today private and can not be "privatized". Even with CU property is still privately owned property.
"The only thing I’ve been uncompromising about is the ability of beachfront owners to exclude people from the sandy parts of the beach. There’s plenty of compromise when it comes to setting up rules on those sandy parts." Yes, the American rule of law and private property owner Constitutional right to CHOOSE to invite anyone they CHOOSE to share and public respect for those American rights is the "compromise". If the Walton Commissioners or you want to do their duty to address public beach behavior to respect American/Walton property rights and the Sherriff's duty to enforce public behavior; that'd be good too.
Here's a another oldie but goodie posts too after your #945.
#950 Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
#951 "Not worth my time to continue talking." Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy Another not credible statement shown (#2089) 1,138 posts previously. If there are any CU facts and not unsubstantiated beliefs; would like to hear them.
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bob1 are you related to bob bob? Like a belly button, every has an opinion and talk is cheap. We are dealing with the CREDIBILITY of facts and rule of law that reflect American values. Go over to Okaloosa Island to visit the miles of undeveloped/un-ruined US Government beaches. Just do not pass the restricted public access signs near Hurlburt the US Government has the "power" and right to restrict.
anonymous CU believer Pappj, if the shoe fits ... read the post links too.
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Many of the posts through this thread have gone even further than that. Continually reading phrases like Abuse of Power, Elite Wealth, Power Broker, and of course The People, reminds me of reading The Communist Manifesto back in college (many years ago). And now the call for an Equal Distribution of Resources. What’s next, a revolution?
You mean socialists confiscating land like this?
As government prepares to seize more land for a border wall, some Texas landowners prepare to fight
Would you boycott this socialist store?
When the only grocery in a deep red town closed, the city opened its own store. Just don’t call it ‘socialism.’ - The Boston Globe