Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy

[FloridaBeachBum]

Here’s a statement, not a question and no names mentioned. Since CU believers don’t even believe the Florida Statute 177 LAND BOUNDARIES definitions
#1994 Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
#2039 Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
and “The sandy beach is unlike normal land in that sand is formed in the ocean and deposited along the coastline.” when science has shown the Walton BPO’s sand landward of the MHWL was formed from erosion of the Appalachian mountains thousands of miles north of here 20,000 years ago; beliefs about CU, property boundaries, and “brilliant” metaphysical meaning of the cosmos don’t have much credibility.

Heck statements like “hopefully, this will be my last post” and #212 May 11, 2019 “y’all can just keep pounding sand I’m finished with this circular nonsense. Adios.” can’t even be believed and are not credible. No I do not believe that will be the most-prolific poster on this thread’s last incredible repeated-repeated mystical CU post. They just can’t help themselves and have to have the last in-credible words. Or like CU believers incredibility do not take responsibility for their own choices and blame BPOs for their reactions. BPOs "have been successful at provoking emotional reactions and we [CU believers] sometimes react because we are not robots. Well done."

The only truth to power is that Walton Commissioners’ police POWER declared unrestrained public customary use of private property, without due process, before 84% of FL legislators and Governor corrected that wrong (FS163.035), Commissioners’ are power-Plaintiffs with Florida Beaches for All with the burden of CU proof that have 7 to 4 criteria (depending on which old English common law you cite and does not include any economic considerations), 650+ BPO parcel owners are Defendants (and have to prove nothing) that have had and have today all the property rights any American property owner has, and the Walton Commissioners’ are willing to spend $50,000,000 tax payers dollars (Oct 25, 2016) to litigate CU and maybe get nothing but the BPO legal fees to pay too. Now that is POWER.

 

[Alex Miles]

Like pine trees with falling needles, grains of sand are not real estate, no matter how high they pile up or where they blow. But the solid earth underneath is deeded real estate.

 

[Dave Rauschkolb]

Here’s a statement, not a question and no names mentioned. Since CU believers don’t even believe the Florida Statute 177 LAND BOUNDARIES definitions
#1994 Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
#2039 Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
and “The sandy beach is unlike normal land in that sand is formed in the ocean and deposited along the coastline.” when science has shown the Walton BPO’s sand landward of the MHWL was formed from erosion of the Appalachian mountains thousands of miles north of here 20,000 years ago; beliefs about CU, property boundaries, and “brilliant” metaphysical meaning of the cosmos don’t have much credibility.

Heck statements like “hopefully, this will be my last post” and #212 May 11, 2019 “y’all can just keep pounding sand I’m finished with this circular nonsense. Adios.” can’t even be believed and are not credible. No I do not believe that will be the most-prolific poster on this thread’s last incredible repeated-repeated mystical CU post. They just can’t help themselves and have to have the last in-credible words.

The only truth to power is that Walton Commissioners’ police POWER declared unrestrained public customary use of private property, without due process, before 84% of FL legislators and Governor corrected that wrong (FS163.035), Commissioners’ are power-Plaintiffs with Florida Beaches for All with the burden of CU proof that have 7 to 4 criteria (depending on which old English common law you cite and does not include any economic considerations), 650+ BPO parcel owners are Defendants (and have to prove nothing) that have had and have today all the property rights any American property owner has, and the Walton Commissioners’ are willing to spend $50,000,000 tax payers dollars (Oct 25, 2016) to litigate CU and maybe get nothing but the BPO legal fees to pay too. Now that is POWER.

The county was merely following the procedures set forth in House Bill 631. Anonymously represented Beachfront owners on this SoWall thread supporting the passage of that Bill should not be surprised in the least when Counties follow those procedures to ensure and reaffirm the beaches are public. Anonymously represented Beachfront owners on this SoWal thread can’t have it both ways; supporting a bill that creates mandated procedures and then pounding sand because the County follows them. I applaud the County for standing up for the rights of the public to not be excluded from any of our precious Walton County beaches. The real power has been exerted by a handful of well-connected politicians, past politicians, lawyers, beachfront owning lawyers and Beach front owners who own likely near Public Beach Accesses. The power to exclude is a very powerful thing and they have followed every path available to them to exclude the good residents and property owners and visitors of South Walton from our beaches.

 

[FloridaBeachBum]

#2069 "when counties follow those procedures to ensure and reaffirm the beaches are public." and "can’t have it both ways"? Not credible and a distraction. BPOs I know DEMAND Constitutional due process as specified by FS163.035 (not a bill anymore). My point you avoided addressing is the Commissioner have police POWERS and the power to spend $50,000,000 Walton tax payer's dollars and may get nothing by the BPO legal bill too.

It is a Constitutional American RIGHT for private property owners to have quiet, peaceful, uninterrupted, enjoyment if they so CHOOSE. If you want to call Constitutional property RIGHTS that American a "power". You have the power of Free Speech too and BPO have the right and the courts have ruled (in the Goodwin case) BPO have the right or power of free speech to post signs on their property boundaries too.

Why do you not refer to the majority of CU believers like yourself as "anonymous CU believers"?

 

[Alex Miles]

I didn't see any wording in House Bill 631 that set forth procedures concerning non-profit activists brokering power on behalf of out-of-state short term rental investors, such as Florida Beaches For All, presided and founded by David Rauschkolb. (By the way, it hasn't been "House Bill 631" for a long time. It's now current law.)

 

[Reggie Gaskins]

The county was merely following the procedures set forth in House Bill 631. Anonymously represented Beachfront owners on this SoWall thread supporting the passage of that Bill should not be surprised in the least when Counties follow those procedures to ensure and reaffirm the beaches are public. Anonymously represented Beachfront owners on this SoWal thread can’t have it both ways; supporting a bill that creates mandated procedures and then pounding sand because the County follows them. I applaud the County for standing up for the rights of the public to not be excluded from any of our precious Walton County beaches. The real power has been exerted by a handful of well-connected politicians, past politicians, lawyers, beachfront owning lawyers and Beach front owners who own likely near Public Beach Accesses. The power to exclude is a very powerful thing and they have followed every path available to them to exclude the good residents and property owners and visitors of South Walton from our beaches.

Welcome to those of you joining us from that elite “Divisioning” site that won’t allow citizens to join if they have a brain of their own.

Us “Anonymous” leaders in our community have been having a deep and thoughtful discussion on this thread about how we got here, who lied about what, and have provided volumes of evidence of why the Customary Use charade is a very irresponsible, ultra expensive and dishonest play on the raw emotions of Walton citizens.

BUT - The abusers of the public trust - and you can guess who - absolutely refuse to engage in discussion, and would rather use Saul Alinsky tactics to deflect facts and attack detractors. Maybe one of you guests would oblige us with an intelligent discourse, we welcome your views.

And we promise not to:
Assume we know where you live, doesn’t matter
Assume we know your politics, doesn’t matter
Misrepresent facts or history, it’s not honest
Mislead you on laws, it’s not honest
Lie to you about legal rights, it’s downright devious
Diminish your honest fact based opinion, it’s not neighborly
Care about your identity, it’s not relevant
Worry about your screen name, it’s childish
Smother you with deflection, it’s not real
Tempt you with flowery ideas of metaphysical orgy mixers, it’s so 1960’s.

If you’ll read the very first post - 2,072 posts ago, you’ll be up to speed.

 

[Dave Rauschkolb]

Welcome to those of you joining us from that elite “Divisioning” site that won’t allow citizens to join if they have a brain of their own.

Us “Anonymous” leaders in our community have been having a deep and thoughtful discussion on this thread about how we got here, who lied about what, and have provided volumes of evidence of why the Customary Use charade is a very irresponsible, ultra expensive and dishonest play on the raw emotions of Walton citizens.

BUT - The abusers of the public trust - and you can guess who - absolutely refuse to engage in discussion, and would rather use Saul Alinsky tactics to deflect facts and attack detractors. Maybe one of you guests would oblige us with an intelligent discourse, we welcome your views.

And we promise not to:
Assume we know where you live, doesn’t matter
Assume we know your politics, doesn’t matter
Misrepresent facts or history, it’s not honest
Mislead you on laws, it’s not honest
Lie to you about legal rights, it’s downright devious
Diminish your honest fact based opinion, it’s not neighborly
Care about your identity, it’s not relevant
Worry about your screen name, it’s childish
Smother you with deflection, it’s not real
Tempt you with flowery ideas of metaphysical orgy mixers, it’s so 1960’s.

If you’ll read the very first post - 2,072 posts ago, you’ll be up to speed.

 

[FloridaBeachBum]

Cute stickers. Walton Commissioners are the Plaintiffs. $50,000,000 Walton tax payers dollars are at stake. BPO are the Defendants. Unrestrained public customary use of private property will be resolved in court. CUnCourt.

 

[Dave Rauschkolb]

Cute stickers. Walton Commissioners are the Plaintiffs. $50,000,000 Walton tax payers dollars are at stake. BPO are the Defendants. Unrestrained public customary use of private property will be resolved in court. CUnCourt.

....or by the Florida Legislature, or by the people of Florida or by the Supreme Court or by beach nourishment. There are many paths to restoring and reaffirming our beaches will be public. We intend on following whatever paths that will take us there.

 

[BlueMtnBeachVagrant]

Like pine trees with falling needles, grains of sand are not real estate, no matter how high they pile up or where they blow. But the solid earth underneath is deeded real estate.

Actually, not true, in regards to beach front property. Those grains of sand (and loss of) directly impact the location of the Mean High Water Line via accretion, erosion, avulsion, etc. And the MHWL is the southern boundary of most private beach front parcels. Of course man-made "accretion" (beach nourishment) becomes the property of the state beyond the "original' MHWL.

Regarding the customary use law suit and those properties that received beach nourishment to the west, I find it curious that the county is suing those properties to the west as well when the beach is now public in those areas south of the erosion control line (ECL) or basically where the original MHWL used to be.