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Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy

Discussion in 'Local Government and Groups' started by Reggie Gaskins, Apr 25, 2019.

  1. FloridaBeachBum

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    I’m not a big fan of the anti-social media. Just mass ganging on - without facts - just emotional knee jerk reactions - and shout downs for having different opinions just because they are different - even if supported with facts. I wish I could make these facts shorter to the little CU misinformation bullets that are posted as facts. Customary Use Will Destroy Our 30A Legacy

    It’s interesting to read the real not so polite positions of outspoken CU “Komrades” incredible, as in not credible, baseless antisocial media, similar to what was witnessed on this thread and others. Hopefully this won’t get deleted or I get banned for “Komrades” since Rauschklob used the description on SoWal first. I guess it’s just cute to spell with a K. Is it really behavior that caused the CU vs Private beach issue?

    The new trend on anti-social media is creating this illusion that there are just a “handful” of “anti-CU” BFOs “Komrades” and of course the celebrity BFO, to sensationalize whatever CU lie of the day about him is. This anti-social media campaign to expose the BFOs incredible evil plans to stop the public from using “their” beaches, is a CU tactic to incite the masses and expose the evil BFOs with the “truth”. But is fanning the flames the Walton Commissioners started, and may destroy what’s left of south Walton’s legacy - the premise of the thread.

    "... stopping beach nourishment [beach fortification] WAS indeed the first step in their [BFOs] plan to deny the use of our beaches." Facts please or just a not-credible, baseless, conspiracy theory!

    How FBFA think they know about BFO “plans” is just not credible if you know the facts. Creates a good BFO greedy “boogie man” to focus the mass of vitriol. But NOT credible.

    From the 2016 Walton Commissioners’ failed beach fortification (Federal Hurricane Storm Damage Reduction plan) was defeated by those handful of “sneaky” BFOs? Beach fortification on private property with 3.8 CY of off-white off-shore sand, that a judge ruled did not meet Commissioners’ own white sand ordinance. An ordinance that any beachfront owner would have to comply with. Even outspoken CU advocates didn’t think that was a good idea.

    Fact. 94.22% of the 1,193 BFOs rejected Commissioners’ private property easements. Why? Because the Commissioners were not transparent of the sand facts, BFOs connected the dots what Commissioners’ real intent was, and do not trust the Commissioners then and now.
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    It did not cost 1,193 BFOs money to intervene in the Commissioners’ and TDC’s inept beach fortification plan easements; just reject by mail or refuse to return the Commissioners’ 50 year (really perpetual) legal private property easement. Only a “handful”, 94.22%, of 1,193 BFO saw through the Commissioners’ ruse and made their thoughts known.

    Before the Commissioners’ even shelved beach fortification in March 2016 they were talking about public “beach access” or aka public customary use of private property.
    February 23, 2016. Walton Commissioner Chapman starts customary use beach access agenda. Not once did Chapman consider or mention beachfront owner property rights, who owns 50+% of the beachfront. Why?
    BCC February 23, 2016 Regular Meeting Video Click and press Play in new window.
    Commissioner Cindy Meadows asks about a Public Beach Access “Emergency” Order for public to use private property but is cautioned by the County Attorney. Why? Because of bad sand or bad public behavior?
    BCC February 23, 2016 Regular Meeting Video

    Two years later a “handful” of BFOs and a celebrity BFO convinced 29 out of 36 FL Senators (80.6%) and 95 out of 126 FL Representatives (84.8%), including local Representative Brad Drake to Vote for 2018 HB631. 83.8% of the 2018 FL legislators and the Governor.
    House Bill 631 (2018) - The Florida Senate
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    A “handful” of BFOs owners convinced 124 Yeas, including Brad Drake, to vote for HB631 is just NOT CREDIBLE.

    That a “handful” of BFOs convinced 650+ of the SAME 1,194 (about 54+%) private beach parcels, owners to spend their own money to intervene, including Seaside developer and other prominent beachfront owners, would be in-credible for a “handful” of anyone to accomplish. I wonder how many BFOs are going to “ride the coattails” of the 54% of the intervening BFOs instead of spend their own money? If there was no legal expense, like with beach fortification, I’m guessing there would be more than 54+% of the 4,761 BFOs intervening.

    Me and a “handful” of BFOs are willing take the time to shine the light of truth and facts on the CU myths. We are just the TIP of the 4,671 BFO iceberg, BFOs are angry at the Commissioners and anti-social media vitriol, that is certainly not discouraged by leading outspoken CUers. BFOs are communicating and organized to any threat to private property rights as needed (thanks to the Commissioners' failed beach fortification). BFOs can connect the Commissioners’ public use of private beach dots too. BFOs have long memories, and we don’t have to incite the masses to make our case, might does not make right in America, the rule of law does. BFOs have only just begun the fight for our due process and Constitutional rights. Remember the Titanic and the iceberg. CUnCourt.
     
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  2. bob bob

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    In case you hadn't noticed, Fbook just confirms the fact that every American is stuck in high school or middle school.
     
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  3. FloridaBeachBum

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    We'll add that insightful response and LV2's "Like" to the list of your 12 other posts on this thread that have "contributed to the solution".
    Because I'd guess you don't want to be "part of the problem" with no facts or credible information or beliefs.
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  4. Poppaj

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    You’re keeping a list?:blink:
     
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    Who is Francis?
     
  6. Lake View Too

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    Pardon me for having an opinion. What do you suggest I do to solve the problem? Call up Judge Green and plead that he rules your way? If you think this thread is in any way solving the problem, you are seriously deluded. You have done nothing but denigrate a whole community of people who have absolutely no control over the outcome of this whatsoever. If you are trying to change people’s hearts and minds, it is an epic fail.
     
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  8. FloridaBeachBum

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    Want to keep it factual and give bob bob and LV2 credit where credit is due for the depth and breath of their contributions to the solutions. Would not be factual if I posted he only had 2 posts that were in-credible.
    First you have to identify the legitimate problem with facts and informed decisions before anyone can solve anything. How about call the Walton Commissioners and tell them to find a solution other than litigation. How about demanding antisocial media leaders stop the misinformation and encouraging the BFO vitriol. That'd be a start. But you have to do you own fact finding first and not rely on antisocial media star's baseless misinformation. As long as one person or BFO understands the facts - that's why me and others shine the light of truth on the gibberish.
     
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    Another bob bob conspiracy theory lost on almost everyone including me too. bob bob thought me and Fact or Fiction was Huckabee too.
     
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    Now I’m really confused. I thought you would want litigation to have a judicial decision to “solve” this forever.
     
  11. FloridaBeachBum

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    If litigation is what it takes - BRING IT ON. BFOs are the Defendants in a de novo CU litigation. Commissioners have the burden of proof. It is all or nothing. If BFOs prevail we likely get our legal fees back from the Walton tax payers and I for one will not share our private beachfront as we have for many decades. Clear?
     
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    It’s interesting that 1974 Tona-Rama lost its public prescriptive easement of private property case in the FSC and that the judges' vote were 3 concurred, 2 dissents, and one could not make up his mind and split his vote. 3.5 to 2.5?
    Customary Use Will Destroy Our 30A Legacy

    Florida in 1974, had been since statehood, was a decidedly a political Democratic state then. I wonder if the US SC had reviewed Tona-Rama how that would have turned out? Hopefully if we need to; we’ll find out. Today, 2019, Florida is not a progressive Democratic state. We just made career Florida Democratic politician, Bill Nelson, unemployed. Hopefully the courts will interpret the law and Constitution and not make law up as they go; like in Tona-Rama.
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    I’ll take a wild a$$ guess and say there are at least 650 parcel owners who totally concur.
     
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    And if CU prevails you will still be looking at the same beach on the same water as you do now and will be welcome to use it as before.
     
  15. Auburn Fan

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    Exactly who do you mean would be welcoming a BFO to enjoy his own private property?

    Additionally, who is going to manage the density in order to adequately protect the entire sensitive beach ecosystem as well as preserve the unique beach experience that distinguishes Walton County beaches from our neighboring counties? You know, the whole reason why people choose to live and vacation here in the first place, instead of Okaloosa or Bay County.
     
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    All the people setting up for day would welcome them, aka “their new friends.”
    News flash, people also choose to live and vacation in Okaloosa and Bay county instead of here.
     
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  17. Charles Evans

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    Perhaps a silly question, but would not a significant amount of the access to the beach issue go away if the County didn’t give away 50% of the public beaches (how many miles?) to vendors? Disclosure - we are full timers, but do not own beach front. Would this not free up a tremendous amount of space for locals and tourists to set up in great locations at no cost?
     
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    Are you talking about these new friends? Regardless of private property rights or public customary use of property the Walton Commissioners have the civic duty and responsibility to all Walton citizens to police and enforce bad behavior on the beach. If a proposed “compromise” for BFO’s is to give up their Constitutionally protected property rights they have had since 1776 and have today for beach behavior enforcement the inept Walton Commissioners’ already have a civil duty to do; good try FBFA, BFOs are smarter than that.

    CU is only about legal property rights. Any thing else is politics; so far decades of bad politics and the Walton commissioners' shifting the burden to BFOs for their failure to manage supply & demand and growth. I think there is enough demand if people choose less crowded public beaches in neighboring counties. Just look at the bed taxes collected. Up 17.8%. By the way Okaloosa and Bay counties along with 65, other Florida counties do not have a public customary use of private property ordinance.
    Report: Walton County top-performing local economy in Florida. Apr 5, 2019

    Besides police can’t enforce respect, consideration, and decency for others. Like beach spreading and beach cities (or antisocial media campaigns). Although private property owners can if the Sheriff would do his duty and enforce the laws as written and stop making up not legal property boundaries’ like the “wet sand”.
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    Other states like NJ have passed ordinances for Beach Spreading. A symptom of “Tragedy of the [Beach] Commons”.
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  19. Reggie Gaskins

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    Yes Charles. This single vendor problem resolution would return much more than 50% of lost public beach - right back to citizens and tourists, immediately. This proposal has been suggested to CU proponents, WCBC, and gets deleted from the anti social media pages of Walton County every time the math is displayed. It wouldn't cost county or tax payers a dime. It wouldn't require a multimillion dollar/multi year lawsuit. It wouldn't tear the community apart. You are a smart man. Why do you think then, that community "Leaders" bury this obvious solution every time it comes up, and choose to attack and sue innocent property owners instead? Any guesses?
     
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    I’ve always felt that the county should build well designed kiosks at the beach and either rent or hold a new auction each season for their use by vendors. No setups until the customer comes to the kiosk to rent the chairs, umbrellas, etc. to be self setup or have an attendant set them up. No more morning staking out of large amounts of beach real estate by vendors. The newly rented chairs would be placed among all other beach goers.
     

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