Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy

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  1. Stone Cold J

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    I read the Walton County Ordinance 2019-05 (updated Beach Activities Ordinance) and on Page 11 Item R, states "It shall be unlawful to place beach equipment on the beach within fifteen (15) feet of the water's edge or within fifteen feet (15) of the toe of the dune or line of permanent dune vegetation on any regional or neighborhood beach access."

    Does that mean at Ed Walline Regional Beach access NO chairs can be within 15 feet of the water's edge, or does that apply only to Vendor chairs? Does that also apply along the entire coast line or just the public beach?
     
  2. FloridaBeachBum

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    Definition. "Beach equipment means items generally used for swimming, sunbathing or beach recreation, including, but not limited to, beach chairs, umbrellas, tents, hammocks and volleyball nets."

    Walton has NEVER enforced this. Should be deleted if Commissioners won't enforce it for everyone on public beaches. Note many "neighborhood" accesses are private property easements for public pedestrian crossing to the foreshore only; like at Vizcaya.
    That's also why Chair vendors can not setup on Vizcaya's 33 foot pedestrian easement too.
    Board of County Commissioners on 2019-03-26 9:00 AM - Regular Meeting - Mar 26th, 2019 << Must see TV. Video time 1:08:39 Walton TDC Beach Director Brian Kellenberger. Click and press video play.

    Not sure Commissioners can use police powers to direct private property owners where they can recreate on their own property. That would be another litigation I'd guess. Like the 2017-05 private property signs and First Amendment litigation BFO prevailed against Commissioners. Cost Commissioners $185,000 in BFOs legal fees as I recall.
    That's why 2019-05 Sec 22-55 Obstructions does not include signs like previous beach ordinances.

    I made the same point in previous posts but ordinance section is meaningless. Good catch.
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  3. Stone Cold J

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    Should people call Code Enforcement or the Sheriff if Chair Vendors (or anyone else according to the wording) sets up within 15' of the water's edge on County property? Is the line from high tide, or low tide, or from anywhere the water edge is located while the chair is set up? What if someone sets up a chair and umbrella 15' from the water at low tide, must they move it back when the tide comes in so they are still 15' from water's edge at any time? What if someone is already set up behind them? Must the people behind them also move to make room or just the Vendors (or public) move their chairs to the back of the line? Has this ever been enforced? What if people refuse to move? If this has never been enforced does that mean any county ordinances can be ignored by Chair Vendors? Does that mean the Public can also ignore the ordinances? Does that conflict with the Sherriff telling people to set up chairs in the wet sand or does the Sherriff only mean only the wet sand along the coast line and not county property like Ed Walline? My questions have NOTHING to do with CU. I am asking about the ordinance on public property. The same wording is in the 2017 County Ordinance. Modern beach ordinance would overrule what people might have done 50-100 years ago on public property (like horses, cars, bonfires, overnight tent camping or even nude beaches).
     
  4. FloridaBeachBum

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    Great questions for the Walton Commissioners! First question is easy - code enforcement, not the Sheriff. Let us know how that goes. Let us know what commissioners say; if you can get a reply from any of them, much less all of them. They don't like to answer hard questions that don't make them look good. The Sheriff has a duty to follow the letter of the law and not make up law because it's hard to enforce - like "wet sand", legally defined MHWL, property boundaries. Government owned beachfront that the public can use also have a MHWL; not wet sand, property boundary.

    I understand questions not CU related but the common denominator is the decades of inept Commissioners misunderstanding of the public supple & demand beach problem and failing to do their civil duty for all Walton citizens - including BFOS. Let's make the TDC stop marketing until infrastructure is fixed and stop the Commissioners from taxing tourist another 1% (5% total) and let those dollars go back into the local economy to grow jobs, not Commissioners' future campaign slogans.
     
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    Reggie Gaskins crossed a line in a post and broke a forum rule. The post was deleted and he was given a temporary ban. A few people who have been banned have been allowed to reurn since the forum started in 2003. Sometimes things get heated and people act like jerks and then later cool off and show humility. He emailed sort of an apology, but also making accusations and giving instruction. [Let's just say he sucks at apologies. :lol: ]

    Our rules are simple. If you can't follow them you will be asked nicely to leave, or you may be banned. It rarely happens. From an admin perspective, In the context of fair play and open mindedness, I am not concerned which side of an issue you are on. I am only concerned that you follow rules and treat people here with respect. We are proud of what our community has built here and worked hard to nourish it. Mostly the forum is self-moderated by the members. Don't hesitate to call someone out in a respectful way if they cross a line, and/or do it by direct message (conversation feature / private message).
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    Having said that, a bit if extra leeway is usually given to heated topics. Most members understand this. Please stick to attacking the topic and not the people. If a thread gets off course it may be locked, or moved to the lounge where heated controversy and griping/venting belong.

    Thank you!
     
  6. BlueMtnBeachVagrant

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    Just curious, how long?

    I’ve always imagined conversation at your dinner table must get very interesting at times. :)

    BTW, personally speaking, I’ve always appreciated the information, both opinions and facts, that are afforded here. It’s the intentional mistruths and hypocrisy that offend me more than anything.

    Suggestion: A post of mine was deleted a few weeks ago (“threatened” banning my account). I could not even remember what I even posted that could have crossed the line. You know, my memory is not so good since I’m getting older and using words like malarkey. Would it be possible to include the deleted post in a private message so that we can better understand where this “line” actually is relative to the thread and the heat of the moment? I truly have no idea what I said.

    As mentioned, I wasn’t personally offended when called an ahole by LVT. But if the situation was reversed, would my account be banned? That’s probably more of a rhetorical question.

    Thanks!
     
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    1. What specific rule did Reggie break?

    2. Was Reggie given any warning or asked first nicely to edit his post?

    3. Was Lake View Too's name calling and repetitive postings of our nation's president standing over a POW's grave respectful and kind? Why is he not banned?

    4. Were you Kurt being kind and respectful by saying Reggie sucks at apologies?
     
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    Are you Reggie's momma? Sounds like he broke a rule and not your concern. If you don't like the way things go here, find another forum is the message I got. Lighten up Francis is the other message I have for you.
     
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    :banned:

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    One of the rules is not to give moderators a hard time... sounds like you should be on facebook brah. :rolleyes:
     
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    Double standards should be everyone's concern who wishes to participate in an open forum in an honest, engaging, and informative manner.
     
  12. BlueMtnBeachVagrant

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    Very enlightening. Danny Glidewell seems to get the issue of the beach vendor chairs on public accesses. Gotta love Alan Osborne.

    Also did not realize there are “leased” sections of beach by the county as well as public accesses that exist only by easement.

    Thanks for pointing that out.
     
  13. James Bentwood

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    Show me a double standard. You could always start your own website to spread your propaganda if this one isn't to your liking...
     
  14. BlueMtnBeachVagrant

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    The very nature of your post is a double standard. You call BFO posts propaganda and suggest starting another website. Why not suggest the same thing to the CU people who knowingly peddle a myriad of mistruths even when confronted with the facts?

    Sheesh, the pot calling the kettle black.
     
  15. FloridaBeachBum

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    Much of Grayton Beach beach is State land leased to the County.

    From GRAYTON BEACH NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN (Adopted February 10, 2015) There may be more up to date plans but this had a good explanation.

    Grayton Dunes State Recreation Area was acquired by the State of Florida through the Save Our Coast program administered by the Florida Department of Natural Resources (now Department of Environmental Protection - FDEP), Division of Parks and Recreation. In January 1985, the portion of the site fronting Grayton Beach was leased to the FDEP for 50 years. In October 1986, the site was sub-leased to Walton County for environmental protection and compatible public outdoor recreation by the State of Florida, Board of Trustees of the Internal Improvement Trust Fund, Lease No. 3884. (See Figure 2. Grayton Dunes County Park). The lease specifically authorizes the launching of boats from this site.

    16.1 Findings. The portion of Grayton Beach that permits vehicular access is leased to Walton County from the State of Florida. The stated purpose of the lease is for conservation and public recreation. It is important that Walton County is a good steward of this land and that it adheres to the requirements and purpose of the lease. As such, it is in the public’s interest that vending on public and private lands is addressed. Vending on the beaches of Walton County is controlled by Ordinance 2013-04. This plan incorporates Ordinance 2013-04 (January 2013) by reference and offers the following:

    16.2 Vending on Public Land Owned by the State of Florida. Vending on State owned public breaches requires annual written authorization from the State of Florida and any private owner whose southern property line is contiguous to the proposed vending location.

    16.3 Vending on Public Land Owned by Walton County. Vending on county owned public beaches in Grayton Beach requires annual written authorization from Walton County and any private owner whose southern property line is contiguous to the proposed vending location.

    16.4 Vending on Private Property. Vending of private property requires annual written authorization from the property owner.

    16.5 Launching of Boats. Authority to launch boats on Grayton Beach is provided in the sublease from the State of Florida to Walton County. Nothing in this plan alters this authorize use.
     
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  16. James Bentwood

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    Why so defensive? I am calling out the Auburn fan's propaganda and aggressive postings, not all beachfront owners in general. Although I do see several new members on this thread who arrived en masse to attack and demean under the guise of facts and honesty. It is really obvious and gross. Not to mention singling out a couple of members of their opposition and bashing them. Axe grinding is not allowed on this site.

    There is a single standard - treat others with respect. If you don't want honest, respectful conversation, go somewhere else or start your own website.
     
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  17. BlueMtnBeachVagrant

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    BS!
    You’re calling all BFOs out. Can’t even be truthful about that.

    More BS about “respect”. I guess you’ve forgotten about my reply to Dave R’s post about his call for respect long before yours...

    Customary Use Will Destroy Our 30A Legacy (Rauschkolb respect post/reply)

    He still won’t acknowledge or deny the horrific anology made by Daniel Uhlfelder. Combine that with Uhlfelder’s repeated efforts along with his supporters to intentionally harass BFOs with his trespassing antics.

    How about you? Care to step up to the plate? Start a little respectful dialogue and say something like Uhlfelder crossed the line literally (via provocative trespassing) and figuratively (hurtful analogy).

    Remember, Teresa gave him a pass, saying “heartfelt” comment and all. I certainly won’t.

    RESPECT. Hell even Aretha Franklin couldn’t get any. BFOs certainly ain’t gonna find any here on this forum.
     
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  18. Poppaj

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    Rename the thread “CU Will Make You A Whiner.”
     
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    "You don't make progress by standing on the sidelines, whimpering and complaining. You make progress by implementing ideas."
    - Shirley Chisholm
     
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