Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy

Discussion in 'Local Government and Groups' started by Reggie Gaskins, Apr 25, 2019.

  1. BlueMtnBeachVagrant

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    Lord help us! 10 more years of Rauschkolb and Uhlfelder and their antics, intentional mistruths, degrading of BFOs with Nazi analogies and staged trespassing? :yikes:

    At least you are trying to come up with some ideas and it’s very much appreciated, at least on my part. A much much simpler solution is to BAN vending on public beaches, period. I don’t think tourism will suffer AT ALL And the public accesses remain that - truly public, not controlled by beach vendors in any way. And then there’s nothing to enforce except NO VENDING ON PUBLIC BEACHES..... no ghost setups, no 50% malarkey, no within 15 feet of the water line OR dune, no nothing. Again much simpler and much easier to enforce.

    BCC needs to take notice as I sense even “my enemies” are in agreement on this point.
     
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  2. BlueMtnBeachVagrant

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    PLEASE please don’t hold your breath too long. Don’t want to lose another very credible source of information.
     
  3. FloridaBeachBum

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    Ya, I don't get the statements about evil, greedy, sneaky BFOs, protecting Constitutionally protected property rights, trying "yet another desperate tactic to silence the voices of ordinary beachgoers". Customary Use Will Destroy Our 30A Legacy

    When asked to come out in an relatively open forum to take positions already taken in public with facts, not rhetoric and shout downs? Nothing! Guess when you think you are right in the darkness of the closed antisocial media Facebook forums and you repeat what you believe enough times, you just believe CU of private property using an archaic English legal doctrine is right. The question is why? What alternative facts are there to dispute the property right facts on this thread and to warrant spending many many millions of Walton tax payer's dollars?

    I guess if you can't stand the Sunshine of the facts ... "If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table and yell like hell" Carl Sandburg.
    Medical Daily. When Arguing, People Who Can't Use Facts Use Morals
    "Overall, these findings show how strong bias can be in the face of facts, and suggest the ways in which political and ideological polarization occurs. “We’ve learned that bias is a disease, and to fight it we need a healthy treatment of facts and education,” the researchers wrote. “We find that when facts are injected into the conversation, the symptoms of bias become less severe. But unfortunately, we’ve also learned the facts can only do so much."
    Source: Friesen J, Campbell T, Kay A. The Psychological Advantage of Unfalsifiability: The Appeal of Untestable Religious and Political Ideologies. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology. 2015.

    Or just pretend the facts are not there and stay in the closed antisocial media "echo chamber". No CU credibility.

    The Walton Commissioners lit the flame of public customary use of private property firestorm as far back as 2007. BFOs connected the Commissioner's CU dots over the years. FBFA and antisocial media have fanned the flames since 2016, not based on the Constitution but a strategy that might makes right! Right? "Sorry if you folks [property rights advocates] feel overwhelmed with sentiment towards customary use; more people just believe what we believe; that will always be the case." Based on what!? Because you read it on an internet slide, shown to be wrong on this thread, from a bizarre CU provocateur (and I'm being nice)?

    If there was any question that Believers of public customary use of private property really want to find alternatives to litigation with beach enforcement; the Commissioners already have a duty to all Walton citizens to do, "...no one is going to stop us from using whatever legal means to that end [CU]." As long as it's tax payer's money. Customary Use Will Destroy Our 30A Legacy
    OK with Defendant BFOs if litigation is what it takes. If BFOs prevail the Walton tax payer may be paying both sides for Commissioners' and CUers beliefs.

    I'm almost glad FBFA is intervening in Commissioners' litigation against 4,671 BFOs. I'm sure the FBFA attorney will be a huge help, if his beach antics and heritage rhetoric are any indication, in the legal proceedings to Walton's $425/hour attorney Theriaque (said sarcastically). CUnCourt.
     
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  4. Jim Tucker

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    Ruh roh. You and Rauschkolb agree 8n vendors.
     
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  5. BlueMtnBeachVagrant

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    Holy cow!!! (since I bought near a cow pasture and must expect cows on my property per Dave Rauschkolb). This pretty well explains the psychology behind all the madness of CU “justification” (link of the previous post by @FloridaBeachBum - yet another excellent post).

    “For their study, the researchers conducted four experiments in which the first two tested how challenging a person’s beliefs had them arguing in untestable ways. One of them, for example, involved showing 174 participants who either opposed or supported same-sex marriage supposed facts that either bolstered or refuted their opinions. When they were shown facts that opposed their views, regardless of their stance, they were more likely to say it wasn’t about the facts but rather about their own moral opinions. They were also more likely to say their opinions were based on fact rather than morals when the statements supported their beliefs. “In other words, we observed something beyond the denial of particular facts: We observed a denial of the relevance of facts,” the researchers wrote.”

    Customary Use “support” is a situation that 100% corroborates “denial of the relevance of facts”.
     
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  7. BlueMtnBeachVagrant

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    And the researchers should have thrown in juvenile responses as well - evidenced above.
     
  8. Reggie Gaskins

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    After 700+ comments in this community forum of locals, one thing seems clear. The CU argument has no basis for legitimacy other than entitlement emotion by those not owning beach property. The county has failed to support the onslaught of tourists they've attracted. The county has failed to control near beach and off beach beds buildout. The laws and history of county endorsed private beach property ownership have been proven here. The myths of Quiet title, beach taxation, public beach turned private, HB631 falsehoods, have all been proved false here. Not one CU advocate/activist/agitator has contributed anything to the contrary. Yes, they have repeated socialist mantras; the beach belongs to everyone, its greedy to say you own the beach, why can't you just share, etc...
    After all has been said, It would seem the court will follow the same path as this thread. CU has no Chance of winning. However..... as Reggie predicted, and you can see now every day, the loud antics of some unethical CU players will guarantee that -
    Customary Use Will Destroy Our 30A Legacy
     
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  9. Auburn Fan

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    Both arms and a leg were fractured when he ejected from the aircraft, as McCain was shot down by a missile during the Vietnam War. He nearly drowned after parachuting into a lake. After being pulled ashore, the enemy crushed his shoulder with a rifle butt and bayoneted him.

    Have you ever had a broken bone?

    Although severely injured, his captors refused to treat him. They beat and interrogated him to get information. Eventually he was given marginal medical care after learning his dad was a US Admiral. During the 6 weeks in the minimum care hospital, he lost 50 pounds while in a chest cast and his hair turned white.

    He was then shackled and thrown into dark cells in North Vietnam in extremely harsh conditions, including 2 YEARS of solitary confinement. He was subjected to a program of severe torture, bound and beaten every two hours, while also suffering from severe dysentery. Additional injuries brought McCain to the desperate point of suicide, but his "preparations were interrupted by guards". Sadly, 20% of his fellow tortured POWs died in captivity. McCain continued to receive two to three weekly beatings because of his refusal to sign additional statements of confession.

    After 5 1/2 YEARS of this tortured imprisonment, he was released. His injuries left him permanently unable to raise his arms over his head.

    McCain died of brain cancer last August at age 81.

    Have you never lost a loved one? How do you want to be publicly portrayed after you are gone?

    Politics aside, McCain's widowed wife, 7 children, and all his grandchildren are all able to view your distasteful public display of such disgusting desrespect for humanity itself.

    Is this what we have become in our local community?
    Distasteful memes, not only allowed, but actually welcomed by the site administrators? As a cheap substitute for the complete lack of honest, insightful, rational, factual, civil discourse?
    ...All because of one's self-proclaimed entitlement to sunbathe on a particular spot on the beach?

    Reggie was right.
    Customary Use will destroy our 30A legacy.
     
  10. FloridaBeachBum

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    When logged in. Under the post someone might "Report" the posts - again. SoWal Terms of Use 3.2 (a) Be courteous. ... will not post repetitive messages, meaningless messages or "spam."
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    The repetitive disrespectful meaningless posts have been reported before but maybe if someone other than a beach property rights advocate reports the clear alleged Terms of Use violation something would be considered to remove and prevent future alleged 3.2(a) violations.

    Just another example of CU in-credibility, shout-down, a manipulated image rated "Winner" by some, done out of spite regardless of the disrespect to a deceased decorated military POW and US patriot; and not discouraged by the forum.
     
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  11. Lake View Too

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    I posted the meme which basically points out what a vile person Trump is for insulting McCain repeatedly after McCain was deceased. The administrators deleted them, banned me temporarily, and called me a troll. What else would want them to do? Get off your high horse.
     
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    The last paragraph makes this possibly the whiniest most willfully ignorant post I have read. The meme depicts your president* repeatedly engaging in a losing argument with a deceased war hero which is based on fact.
     
  13. FloridaBeachBum

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    Manipulated grave photo still posted but good to know, if you say so, I don't put much credibility in your posts.
     
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    Manipulated grave photo still posted. Nothing to do with private property rights or public customary use of private property rights and done out of spite. In-credible and not worthy of your CU position as someone else once said. Facts, not shout-downs and insults please.

    Very presumptuous which Presidential candidate I voted for; regardless it is our President in office, even if Republican or Democrat. Don't like it vote em out. Just like the Walton Commissioners.
     
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    It doesn’t take much common sense to know that meme is making fun of Trump. If it insinuates that a bunch of you are bloviating, I guess that’s just gravy.
     
  16. Poppaj

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    :doh:Simply clueless. Maybe I should post a beating dead horse meme.
     
  17. Reggie Gaskins

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    To the vast audience of this thread;
    The last few posts/diversions of school yard antics prove the case. Now, consider this Walton taxpayers; Constitutional Property rights advocates have taken the affirmative position in this post by declaring that "CU will destroy our 30A legacy". We carry the burden of proof. A much harder position than to only defend against the plaintif's case. And as evidenced this morning, the case is pretty much settled in our favor. In court, however, the roles are reversed. The county takes the plaintiff position. Imagine the beating they will take when there is no real evidence to support their CU position, and all of the facts and law that you've read here will overwhelm any judge or jury. Do you think whimsical and vulgar memes will win the case? You decide...
     
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    Then why all the moaning and bellyaching if you have a case that can’t be lost? A number of county residents feel some property owners possess title to beach front that should have never been issued and are simply asking for a ruling realizing it’s not a slam dunk and won’t be an easy or inexpensive task. However they do feel the effort is worthwhile. So just sit back, have a drink, and chill in your confidence.
     
  19. BlueMtnBeachVagrant

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    I quoted from the study,
    We observed a denial of the relevance of facts,” the researchers wrote.”

    Poppaj responds with only a meme and absolutely no credible commentary (which appears to be on par for many CU advocates).

    What we have here is a denier of the denial of the relevance of facts it would appear.

    CU advocates could NEVER be one of the groups that the study applies to, could they?

    And please don’t even try to flip this around. There has been more FACTUAL postings on this thread from private property advocates than all the Trump pictures and BFO bashing by others.
     
  20. BlueMtnBeachVagrant

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    Because of extreme polarization induced by CU zealots like you (gosh I like that word), is one of the main reasons this thread was started in the first place, remember?....

    Customary Use Will Destroy Our 30A Legacy

    You guys have ruined the community spirit, plain and simple, by trying to grab what you don’t own and deamonizing your neighbors on top of that for owning it in the first place.
     

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