Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy

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  1. Dave Rauschkolb

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    Pocket tens or even a pair of tens are usually a pretty good starting hand so you must not be a poker player. Thank you for the information; I’d love to know the details on each I’m talking about private beachfront owners not corporate entities and in each did they actually “own” the sand to the waterline?

    And I’ll beginning to see you might just be one of the lawyers in this case. With all this legal information at your fingertips. Breadcrumbs
     
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  2. Stone Cold J

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    You can find a lot of information using Google for those willing to educate themselves.

    Pairs of 10's ain't bad, but I would not go all in with a pair of 10's, especially when I know the Supreme Court has a Royal Flush.
     
  3. mputnal

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    Random thoughts: Royal Flush. Hmm that seems about right :) How many years will it take to get to the Supreme Court? Wonder how many property line disputes have been settled using Customary Use? I know of at least two. In one case the landowner owned a property but the fence was set back 10 feet on his side by mistake. He paid the taxes on that 10feet. His neighbor owned cows and the cows grazed the field all the way up to the fence for over 25 years. Guess who won this in court?
     
  4. Reggie Gaskins

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    Malarkey
    Mü•lár•kee
    Mülárkee
    Noun
    Collective generalization
    Or, Legal Term
    Example:
    Malarkey = 1,300 documented legal cases where Florida beach property owners were sued by individuals suffering injury or death on said properties

    Good to know that definition, thx
     
  5. mputnal

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    Stone Cold J You have to have to be an attorney to get case information like that and that fast. Westlaw is pretty expensive so you must be an active attorney. Information is good!
     
  6. Dave Rauschkolb

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    Touché, now you got me laughing. That’s a good one.
     
  7. miznotebook

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    If liability is such a concern, wonder why there have been so many quiet title actions on the beach.
     
  8. mputnal

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    There is a lot of misdirection going on here. Liability is not relevant to the lawsuit. Liability does have relevance to property owners, the county and the State but that is a non issue in terms of this lawsuit. Lawyers are good at misdirection, deflection and ambiguous wording. Politicians are also adept at those things. Some of the power brokers in this forum are lawyers. Just my opinion but I would trust your conscience over these power brokers. This whole thread was meant to distract you from the fact that BPO's want the power to exclude anyone on the beach. What is unfortunate is that tax payers must pay to protect their right to the beach. BPO's want you to blame The People and local government which is misdirection. Now BPO's will tell you that there is plenty of beach to go around so stay off ours please. Again misdirection. The People need to be aware that if BPO's win this lawsuit there will be less and less beach every year. The power to exclude will become an abuse of power. Trust your conscience!
     
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  9. Stone Cold J

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    mputnal, the BCC is suing private property owner to TAKE private property rights (right of exclusion) and FORCE unlimited occupation of private deeded property of beach equipment and people AGAINST the will of the property owner.

    Each property owner (BPO and non-BPO) may decide what to do with their property as it relates to density management and access (family and guests only, paying renters, only locals, allowing unlimited tourists, etc).

    People have always had the ability to walk all 26 miles of the coastline, swim, surf, build sandcastles, play, watch sunsets, take and family pictures. The restriction has always related to day camping (beach equipment). People could only day camp on public property or with permission of the property owner (which includes the State of Florida, US Military, and private deeded property owners). BPO's and non-BPO's have always had the right to EXCLUDE people from their private deeded property. If people were on private property and were asked to move, they moved. That is ancient customary use in Walton County. Property owners have always had this right and will continue to unless the US Supreme Court overturns that property right. Looks like some locals want to bet a pair of 10's and are going all in with MILLIONS OF WALTON COUNTY TAXPAYER DOLLARS betting that the US Supreme Court is going to overturn private property rights.

    PRIOR TO 2016, the BCC acknowledged private property rights. If the BCC thought they already owned the rights to all the property why would they buy property for Public Beaches?

    Tourists have grown exponentially in Walton County and far exceed what our infrastructure can handle.
     
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  10. mputnal

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    Listen to your conscience! The power brokers are lawyers, politicians and the very rich. The BCC had no choice. Ask them. As a matter of fact all of us should draft letters NOW to your representatives. We have a representative democracy. The People will have NO voice if we leave this to the power brokers.
     
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    There is a political tactic coming from the power brokers. They sell fear and will repeat it over and over. Don't buy it! Both political parties do this so I understand how difficult it is to find the TRUTH. Listen to your conscience. It is okay to think in terms of community. Our beach is part of this community. Protect it.
     
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    The old BCC HAD A CHOICE not to sue thousands of private property owners in an attempt to TAKE their property right


    The new BCC HAS A CHOICE not to continue to spend millions of dollars in an attempt to TAKE property rights and risk MILLIONS MORE if the Supreme Court does not agree with the BCC that their actions meet the criteria of Ancient, Reasonable, Without Interruption, and Free from Dispute. That last point is going to be really hard to prove.





    The core issue is to many people in too small an area. Same problem as Venice and every major tourist spot in the world that does not enforce density management.


    OUR BEACH IS PART OF OUR COMMUNITY! PROTECT IT! DON'T ALLOW THE BCC TO DESTROY OUR UNIQUE 30A ECOSYSTEM SO A FEW POWER BROKERS CAN MAKE MILLIONS DESTROYING WHAT WE ALL LOVE. WHAT HAPPENS WE HAVE 5 MILLION TOURISTS? WHAT ABOUT 6 MILLION? WHAT ABOUT 10 MILLION!


    OUR BEACHES AND UNIQUE ECOSYSTEM IS THE REASON WE ALL CAME TO SOWAL! PROTECT IT!
     
  13. SUP View

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    [QUOTENow BPO's will tell you that there is plenty of beach to go around so stay off ours please. Again misdirection. The People need to be aware that if BPO's win this lawsuit there will be less and less beach every year. The power to exclude will become an abuse of power. Trust your conscience![/QUOTE]

    There is ONE MILE of open beach at Grayton State Park. This park is generally free for admission in the summer, has plenty of parking and bathrooms. And is extremely nice with a good location. As members of the WCC and TDC have told me, there is a bigger PARKING problem than beach access problem.

    Again, this whole issue boils down to Corporate / County access and use. Any "misdirection" is coming from elected and appointed officials. As well as a few "keep my face and name in the spotlight" local activists.
     
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    They will end up doing what they did in sea grove. gulf shore manor was for the gulf shore manor private beach. The just built a parking lot at bramble grove and on Santa Clara streets . They didn’t pay for any then put up county signs. Tried to talk to tony Anderson but he would not talk to me about it. The word from his office is the county lawyer told him not to answer any questions about it. Funny thing is he sure called me to thank me for my vote, but not even a call saying he couldn’t talk about it. Had to go to his office and be told by his assistant.
     
  15. mputnal

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    Sowal Community Red Alert: Be aware of the trojan horse campaign by rich power brokers. Notice the above tactics. First one is to speak often and louder (all caps) with intention to drown out our voice. They are more than willing to speak for you. They are NOT interested in anything we have to say. Second one is to tone it down and try and sound like The People. They are NOT The People. They don't care about The People. It is highly possible that they are not from this community. Their tactics are quite impressive. Don't be fooled. Trust your conscience!
     
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    Has anyone been to the last two Commissioner's meetings? July 9th and July 23?
    Check out Eastern Lake Road addresses 392 and 406. Parking lot coming for 57 vehicles. Homes coming down. Run off into Eastern Lake (Contaminates from car oil, traffic, lights). All for the Eastern Lake access on the hairpin turn. If anyone is curious.
     

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    Well, I am certainly not a "Power broker" nor are any of the BFO's I know.

    While I do listen to my conscience, I am going to trust my property deed and the responsibilities I have for the property.
     
  18. mputnal

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    There is a reason why power brokers do not use their real names. Think about it. They do not want us to know who they are because they are hiding their purpose. If we knew their names their purpose would be exposed. This thread was about EXCLUSION AND POWER. They are skilled and determined. Trust your conscience!
     
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    SUP view do you have only that one responsibility in life? Community is important. When we die we leave behind our good will. There is no bigger responsibility than GOOD WILL!
     
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    Agree totally on the importance of community and good will.

    If my wife and I sit on the beach at our property and enjoy watching a younger couple with a couple of kids having a good time in front of us, that is great. Glad to let them know good places to eat, ask them where they are from, suggest routes to avoid traffic, etc.... That is our choice and we have done just that on many occasions. We also can ask large groups who are trashing the beach at our property, using offensive language, no respect for others around, etc.... to pack their gear and get moving. We have done just that.

    As is our right.

    And we will continue to do so.
     

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