Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy

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  1. Reggie Gaskins

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    Alright, I just adjourned our Power Brokers emergency meeting. We are scrambling now that we've been exposed! We have hired Rudy Guliani to speak for us, you'll be hearing from him soon.

    Now, back to reality. If you want to really know Reggie Gaskins, you'll be very disappointed in me, versus your imagination version, I promise. Just know that I'm a real person, I live here, love and care for our community and beach. I don't know a single other member of SoWal and have never conversed directly with any of them, or met in person. Not my game. My life's work is enough challenge, no room for that.

    Or..... I'm a juvenile drug offender in Paducah on house arrest in my Mom's basement, and just love my keyboard. You pick.

    Conspiracy theories of Power Brokers on beach are Chicken Little add-ons to the CU scare. A geographical group of people reacting to being sued with the very tax dollars coming out of their hides is not a class war. It's defensive behavior against obscene assault by their neighbors and county officials. For those of you making it class warfare, read a book. And not the Saul Alinsky crap that is demonstrated in this current public circus.

    1) Stop telling people what YOU want for THEIR property until you are willing to do the same. You have zero voice in how you view their property, or what they should do with it, regardless of where it is. Our laws don't work that way. If you want to buy beach property, and let it be for public use, be that hero. But do it with your money, stop being so honorable with other people's money. And yes, its money. Just like the money in your house, in your car, in your 401k. If that is your only argument, that beach property is more expensive so owners must be greedy rich, you obviously don't know most of the BPO's in Walton County. Go meet them, you'll be embarrassed at your words and behaviors.

    2) Most smart, fiscally responsible adults will put real estate, second homes, lots, farms, acreage, in legal categories to protect against tax loss and to further structure the liability. An LLC is the cheapest, most common vehicle to use towards that intelligent end. To imply that an LLC or a trust is a reason to suspect nefarious intent is plain ignorance. It exposes your naïveté to today's family finance structures. I'd be concerned if I were your family member.

    Let's get back to solving our beach problem, and enough with the shiny objects and squirrels. Class envy, class warfare, class hate is unbecoming of a community that honors turtles and rainbows.

    Regardless of who wins,
    Customary Use Will Destroy Our 30A Legacy
     
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  2. FloridaBeachBum

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    Good beachfront "power broker" meeting. Geeez.

    It’s taken me some time, since I have to work, to get to this. For the BFOs and property rights advocates. I’m just not replying the “power broker” and conspiracy theories Malarkey because you can’t fix ............... it here. Trust the credible facts; not in-credible beliefs. Let the CU shutdowns and innuendos begin.
    More uninformed, false, untrue, not credible, or relevant CU agenda misinformation. The repeated post is not true, unless there are alternative facts to the contrary, and is either intended to incite or is delusional (Wikipedia. A delusion is a firm and fixed belief based on inadequate grounds not amenable to rational argument or evidence to contrary, not in sync with regional, cultural and educational background). The more untrue CU beliefs that is posted the more in–credible and not relevant the posts are to the “players” with real property interests except to incite the uninformed masses on social media to a political agenda for public CU of private beachfront property – even if private property owner rights prevail in court. Like BMB quiet title, Vizcaya or BMB was ever public property, that South Walton will become a tourist ghost town without CU, or that there is even one Seaside 30A business owner that is “beachfront” with standing to intervene; excluding the Seaside developer and HOAs, is false and not credible.

    “Walton County is litigating because a handful of powerful lawyers, politicians and beachfront owners devised and then encouraged the Florida Legislature to pass, in record time, HOUSE BILL 631 …” For the 1,000,002nd time. Really? Where are the Facts? Or just not credible; Fiction.

    Walton County had their own HB631 lobbyist, $425 an hour attorney Theriaque, Commissioner Tony “sand-flee” Anderson, local FL House Rep Brad Drake, and CU activists, including Surf Rider, at the HB631 Committee hearings. Have the video if you want. A YEAR before HB631 in 2017, a similar bill passed the House and Senate but did not make it out of a Senate committee.

    HB631 was NO secret by a handful of anybody. More uninformed, false, untrue, fact-less, not credible CU agenda misinformation.

    #601 Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
    Two years later a “handful” of BFOs and a celebrity BFO convinced 29 out of 36 FL Senators (80.6%) and 95 out of 126 FL Representatives (84.8%), including local Representative Brad Drake to Vote for 2018 HB631. 83.8% of the 2018 FL legislators and the Governor.
    House Bill 631 (2018) - The Florida Senate
    A “handful” of BFOs owners convinced 124 Yeas, including Brad Drake, to vote for HB631 is just NOT CREDIBLE. Me and a “handful” of BFOs are willing take the time to shine the light of truth and facts on the CU myths. We are just the TIP of the 4,671 BFO iceberg. Remember the Titanic and the iceberg?

    #33 Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
    The bill passed the Florida Legislature with an overwhelming bipartisan majority and 100 percent support of the Walton County delegation -- 29-7 March 6 in the Senate and 95-17 March 8 in the House [Including Rep Brad Drake]. That's a total of 24 votes against in the whole of the Legislature. No wonder the governor didn't veto it. Why would he?

    #235 Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
    WOW Theriaque, Walton's $425/hr, land use attorney just described HB631!


    “You can't be surprised or disgusted or incredulous that the Walton County Board of Commissioners voted to proceed. I've said it many times: "You can't have it both ways." The court rulings that were happening were not going the way of Private beaches so this "process" was invented to Legislatively influence the private beach outcome more quickly and efficiently.” No facts, not credible beliefs. Clear lack of understanding of any court cases and would be glad to clarify the ruling facts if needed.

    Who wants it both ways? CUnCourt. This thread just proves that the courts are the ONLY place to settle this property rights. That's why 50%+ of the 1,194 parcel owners, including at least one that is not a beachfront owner, are intervening; not a handful. I for one have said lets settle this once and for all so we can get (1) to respecting private property rights, (2) the public can enjoy the 13 miles of public beaches and private beaches if individual owners agree, and all 26 miles of Public Trust foreshore like before Commissioners declared CU war on BFO property rights.

    “P.S. after the Bill was passed there was great effort to influence the election of the Commissioners ..” PSS. Including 30A Seaside business owners, Florida Beaches for All, Inc., ECAR Realtors should we post the political contributions? And Democratic CU believers that switched and encouraged others to switch from Democrat to Republican parties to vote in the County primaries, then switch back to Democratic party. Legal but ethical? Know anyone that did that? So here we are.

    Why not have Non Partisan Elections in Walton County?
    I changed my party affiliation so that I can vote in the primaries. Took me about 5 minutes at the annex.
    Dave Rauschkolb: I'm doing it today! July 7, 2016

    #950 Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
    Describing a Florida statute voted for by 84% of the FL legislature, including local House Rep Brad Drake, and signed by the Governor, as "criminal" is not a great starting point for any discussion about public customary use of private property.

    #421 Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
    March 21, 2018. South Walton REALTOR publicly announced meeting hosted by REALTOR CEO Keith Dean, with Florida House Representative Brad Drake [who voted for HB631 along with a super majority of the FL legislature and Governor, rebuking 5 partisan Commissioners], Commissioner Tony Anderson, Walton Administrator and former Commissioner Larry Jones, and Walton Attorney Heather Christmann that was a follow up to the March 15, 2018 REALTOR/Walton Strategic meeting.
    Tony Anderson; “Anyway. We feel fortunate we got the language we [Walton County] wanted in there [2018 HB631]. We feel fortunate the [Florida Legislator] Speaker let it [HB631] pass with it [the language] in there. ... The battles, we may have lost the battle; but we’re going to win the war.”
     
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  3. mputnal

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    JodiFL makes a very good point about the LLC's. The power broker arguments about liability was just a deception in terms of their agenda. I believe that there are two types of beach front owners: Corporate and Family. The Corporate BFO's either are the power brokers or have hired out a trojan horse campaign to try and gain support in their bid to weaken the local government and the community (divide us). They need support and realize that many Family BPO's are not wanting to go against community good will. IMO I believe these power brokers are not really local people who care anything about community. The BBC realized that there was no way to negotiate. I understand that the BCC helped get us into this mess but right now they are fighting for control of the beach. If the power brokers gain control of the beach we The People will be left with whatever is left. Wealth and Power are always looking to monopolize resources. It is purely economics to them. Every time a parcel would go up for sale they have the wealth to purchase over the county. The problem with CU activism is that The People have been divided by politics and have made themselves an easy target. The power brokers are trying to divide us into the human rights free entitlement group and the property rights "I have earned you have not group". I believe the power broker group campaign will not stop until they own the majority of the beach so that they control the local economy. I am not a conspiracy theorist but rather a realist. They have enough facts about beach behavior, BCC making bad decisions and property rights that will make it hard for Customary Use to survive if it gets into the political arena where they already wield power. I hope I am wrong but I believe politics are already at play and Customary Use is about to take a blow. I think the Community better have a back up plan. The question of course is whether or not Customary Use activism and legal precedent is enough to win this in court. If the power brokers are able to get this to the Supreme Court they feel they now have an advantage with the Trump appointees. Eminent domain will be costly. Politics again will be a player. Either this will come down to the will of the People or Corporate Beach.
     
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  4. mputnal

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    I just read those last two posts from the power brokers. They could reveal who they are but they do not. They could prove that they are one of us but they do not. This trojan horse campaign was planned. They have spent hundreds of hours gathering the information making it hard for us to have a voice. They will gladly be our voice. They will even tell us what the reality is. Listen to your conscience. Protect the beach from these people whoever they are!

    Here is a fact: the power brokers have access to tons of data and they use that date to mislead, misdirect and deceive. Catmoney again your information tells the power broker story of deception. DO NOT TRUST THEIR DATA because it has now been proven to be deceptive. They also just brought up Class War. Wow they are covering all bases.
     
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    Chicken little :) Classic attempt to diminish and devalue. Listen to them only because they are the BIG chicken :)
     
  6. FloridaBeachBum

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    mputnal, why have you not disclosed your full name like Rachael Ashman McKee? What city or community do you reside? Goes to your credibility.

    I use a pseudonym because I don't want Daniel Uhlfeilder or some other CU activist staging intention trespass for anti-social media publicity and taunting Deputies on my property like he has multiple times before.
     
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    FBB now I know you are not from here! Even LVT knows who I am who I don't always agree with but at least I know that he/she lives here. Why are you scared of Daniel Uhlfeilder or any chicken little for that matter? Why are you worried about my credibility?
     
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    Predictable, not credible reply. If you are so well known, put it out there. What are you scared of? What city do you reside? I'll wave if I see you walk by on the 825 miles of Florida public foreshore.
     
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    Just want to clarify that it was Dave Rauschkolb who used the word “criminal” when characterizing the act of a SUPERMAJORITY of BOTH the Florida House and Senate of their passing of HB631......
    That appears to be a lot of slander aimed at a lot of our politicians, IMHO; not what I would call good “out-of-the-box” thinking.

    Plus I believe that no group or individuals have THAT MUCH PULL to influence a vote that results in a SUPERMAJORITY in the Senate and House.

    But some CU advocates still try to pedal this false narrative along with many others.
     
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    What about little ‘ole me who holds beach front property in my personal name? Don’t I count?
     
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    You're an outlier. Troublemaker. :rolling:

    Mputnal has been on this forum for years also. We know him.
     
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    Thanks for the compliment. I read Outliers by Malcom Gladwell. Nice to be included in that group.
     
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    BMBV you might be in a 3rd category :) Just kidding. Based only on when you joined this forum I assume that you are from Blue Mountain Beach. I have no problem apologizing to the BFO who supports community. You have to admit that these other characters leave room for credibility. I have only posted my opinion. Over and over and over these power brokers have hammered that they are dealing in fact and everyone else are just emotional basket cases wanting something for nothing. Catmoney did expose them. I know that you support property rights and I understand and agree but this is not just about property rights. They are trying weaken the county government and divide us so that they can take over the economics. You might very well share the beach but I am absolutely certain that a Corporate control of the beach will not be good for you or me. By the way do you know who I am? FBB with all that data at his/her finger tips is not able to know that information even though my name is clearly spelled out. I understand your beef with CU supporters. I really think they get carried away sometimes and nothing justifies calling anyone derogatory names but at least they are local people and have a single purpose. They have admitted that there is a problem with beach behavior, beach vending, beach density etc. They are willing to address every issue that BPO's have except exclusion. I am really in the middle of this issue. I understand both sides but you and I both should know that these power brokers want more than control of the beach. If you want to stop by my place sometime we can talk about it. I would trust you on my property if you are local. Corporate people are all about one thing: Profit. Control the market. Control the resources. Then sit back and watch the sunset. Community people are also business people and care about profit but they care about the community. I hope that is where you stand. Yes you have earned your right to own beach front property but you have not earned the right to exclude respectful people from the beach. We can agree to disagree and still be friends because we are both part of this community. These Corporate Power Brokers are not our friends.
     
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    If it’s who I think he is he doesn’t even live here anymore.
     
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    Why would that matter?
     
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    Yea I can see that. Someone who lives here probably wouldnt say "holds beach front property"
     
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    @mputnal ,

    My bubble has been bursted by @James Bentwood . I honestly thought you were a cute 67 year old female hippie with flowers in your hair. But James informs us that you’re a guy. That’s a tough one for me to swallow.

    Now back to the subject at hand....I truly am confused when you continuously bring up “Corporate Power Brokers” (CPBs) and the negative connotations associated with that phrase as you present them.

    I wish I was a CPB but am afraid that was not my calling. Like many outliers
    I simply worked hard to achieve one of the dreams I’ve had since I was a child...to own (hold title to :blink:) property at the beach.

    Do you fear CPBs that you describe will deprive the public of private beach access (defeat CU)
    OR
    Do you fear CPBs will continue to develop Walton County to the point that the “public” can’t even access public beach because of overcrowding?

    Eliminate the right to exclusion and you have eliminated private property rights. And that’s why the attorneys are having a financial field day with the existing lawsuit brought to you by your favorite Walton County Commissioners. But then you’re smart enough to already to know this.

    You’ll never convince me that “The People” are entitled to use my private property without compensation, period. Because “We, the people” (ALL OF US) enjoy all the protections afforded by the U.S. Constitution including the 5th amendment. Simple but true.

    And I fully understand that I (we) will never a change a single mind of a CU proponent here on SoWal.

    The whole point of this thread as initiated by Reggie Gaskins, IMHO, is to expose the false narratives, mistruths, character assassinations of BFOs, hypocrisy and so on presented by CU advocates. And personally, with the superb help of others, I personally think we’ve done an effective job. But if one doesn’t want to see, well then “it’s a free country”.

    Oh, one positive constructive feedback....try using paragraphs. It might help organize your thoughts.
     
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    BMBV you have an interesting imagination :rolleyes: Nope sorry I am a regular old guy :cool: I am in my 60’s so you were close there. You are correct on my writing style. I’m usually in a big hurry and think I am going to post a couple sentences and the next thing I know it’s a long winded paragraph. I don’t like to break my train of thought.

    Some of my writing is meant to expose those who are not interested in hearing what other people say. I have mentioned my wife a couple times. I guess you missed that.

    I understand that you disagree and I respect your belief. Those people posting all the “facts” are not who they say they are. I’m am surprised that you would support deceptive people but that is your right. It is unfortunate that CU supporters hurt your feelings but at least you know them to be local people. If I am right about the Corporate Power Brokers then we will know soon. I believe they have a plan and it goes deep into the operations of this county. IMO we should find a compromise and keep them out but from what I know it is too late. Compared to your hurt feelings from the CU side the Corporate Power Brokers will talk for you, make all decisions for you and in the end you will not know what hit you. They intend to encorporate Sowal and run this place like a mega Corporation They already have money and people in place. So be careful what you wish for!
     
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