Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy

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  1. Bob Wells

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    Representative Gaetz tried to change the rules in Congress and was also involved with the CU legislation that occurred here in Sowal.
     
  2. Bob Wells

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    I leave y’all with this precious thread and it falls apart in the hands of mischief.
    Parenting in the new millennium, GEEZ!

    Bob, Dave, you’re correct. That bill aimed to turn Pensacola public beach into private beach, and indeed it failed locally, big win for the community. They deserve to celebrate and be proud, it was destined to be, and remains, public. Cheers to the passion of the lady as the face of it all!

    But that is opposite of the CU charade here in Walton. Walton’s beaches have “always” had private ownership mixed in. Unlike Pensacola’s that were “always” public. BIG BIG difference! Walton’s have been private Longer actually than Pensacola’s have been public. The Walton private/public beach ratio has remained virtually unchanged here for nearly 100 years. So their win says nothing at all about this CU fantasy thing here. Nowhere in Walton has Public beach been turned private. Period.

    FBFA claims but we’ve always had CU. That’s simply not true. We never have. BCC tried to illegally claim a 2016 ordinance to provide it, but that was illegal and adults in Tallahassee immediately scolded them, correcting the legal error.

    So the debate rolls on, with Pensacola actually reinforcing the legacy idea of legal president. Same goes for private beaches here setting a century of president. Unfortunately for FBFA, the overwhelming evidence of constantly disputed and daily interrupted public use of private beach is an overwhelming reality that is squelching the CU movement.

    But regardless of who wins, as thoroughly described 1501 posts ago:
    Customary Use will Destroy Our 30A Legacy
     
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  4. BlueMtnBeachVagrant

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    Regarding Dianne being an “ally”, I guess nobody is perfect. BTW, thats Dianne, with 2 n’s. True friends know how to spell each other’s names.
     
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    Yet there are still attempts by the “carnival barkers” to misstate and skew facts when they feel their audience might be willing to bite.

    Why did Escambia County want to sell off / lease publicly owned beach and make it private? To stimulate the local economy of course.

    Today, Walton County wants to confiscate private beach property. Why? For the exact same reason. Except we will be in the 30A destructive mode of this development cycle / curve as the tourist economy is already running on all 8 cylinders. But for developers, the real estate industry and other businesses, that’s not enough. Just add more cylinders, it’ll all fit under that hood.
     
  6. Dave Rauschkolb

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    Anyone that knows me knows that I dictate rather than type with my thumbs on my phone. My friend Tony V. often gets spelled Toni with an i. Your desperation and string pulling is palpable. So sorry to have starved you of material. Thank you for drawing even more attention to the Pensacola issue which helps us. Well, maybe not here because no one’s really watching this thread except for a handful of you folks and a handful of us folks
     
  7. BlueMtnBeachVagrant

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    Thou protests too much re spelling.

    Ok....Thou doth protest too much.

    So why in the hell do you spend so much time here on SoWal countering all the private property rights advocates if there’s nobody worthwhile reading? Don’t you have some restaurants and hundreds of people depending on you?
     
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    If you’re going to say a “Thou” you got a throw in a “doth”
     
  9. Bob Wells

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    Well there you go again. Representative Gaetz said it was to stop double taxing people who leased on the beach. 80% of the people voting in the referendum beat that idea. Of course Representative Gaetz was able to get it passed in the House but unable to get heard in the Senate when Senator Nelson dropped his support.
    Rep. Matt Gaetz said fee-simple bill is dead at Pensacola town hall

    And you commented that Escambia wanted the change to stimulate the economy. I would love to see that written somewhere than in your own words.

    According to the article it was the lease holders who lobbied for this because they wanted to change the way they were taxed. Not sure if they have been taxed from the day of the lease but they have been leasing properties since 1950.
    Sen. Nelson withdraws support for federal bill to allow private ownership of local beaches
     
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    Well dang it Dave, I thought we had a vast universe of fans out there. Thanks for clearing that up. Now that we know it’s just a couple of us girls in here, I need advice. Seriously, actually... knowing that you’ve had/have a couple/few Tesla’s, I’m pretty close to joining the club. Can’t decide on the Autopilot option, reading a ton of differing reviews. Thoughts?
     
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    "Starved for material"?
    Says the "dictator" himself.
    Someone call the sherrrifff.
    Smile, SoWal.
     
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    Don't you love the fact that the most vocal "crusaders for the people" usually are wealthy individuals. And some of them by way of bad old Capitalism.
     
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    From PNJ article dated June 28, 2017:

    "....If approved, the legislation would allow local beach leaseholders to exchange their 99-year leases for property deeds. The move would also put control of development on area beaches in the hands of local county governments.

    Dr. Thomas Campanella, chairman of the Santa Rosa Island Authority, has said the bill would benefit developers and ultimately lead to high-rise condos fronting most of Pensacola Beach."

    Sounds like economic stimulis to me. Thanks, BTW, for the link.
     
  14. Bob Wells

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    Seems all members of the Santa Rosa Island Authority are appointed by each County Commissioner and a 6th one is elected by residents of the island. That said I wonder if they members are all residents of the island or appointed from the district which they reside? This article also expressed concerns about no trespassing signs if the rules were changed.
    Everyone agrees Pensacola Beach's lease system is broken. Now how do we fix it?
     
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    Just checking back in to see if my response satisfied your doubt that Escambia County is looking for ways to boost their economy, IOW, more tax revenue. I hope Dr. Thomas Campanella‘s words are credible enough.

    BTW, I can’t pull up PNJ as it requires a subscription. Maybe you can post the relevant sections.

    Regarding leases and selling property over there, couldn’t they just keep the beach part public? Of course they still need to provide access to this beach. But it appears that Dianne feels any development will take public property from the public. Hard to argue against that.

    BUT, again, the whole reason for injecting Pensacola Beach into this thread was Daniel Uhlfelder and Dave Rauschkolb’s inference that somehow DianNe was fighting (and prevailed) the same kind of public battle as they are. Nothing could be further from the truth. But that doesn’t surprise me and others.

    TRUTH
     
  16. Bob Wells

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    Actually, not really. Thanks. As for needing a subscription I not sure how I was able to access it.
     
  17. BlueMtnBeachVagrant

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    What's it going to take to convince you that those in county governments have 2 guiding lights....increase tax revenue and get reelected?

    BTW, CU fits the bill in both cases here in Walton County as it would increase tourism even more (more tax revenue) and the majority of their constituents who support CU will vote for them (supposedly) at the next election.

    Again, for clarity, Escambia County was attempting to take property that ALREADY belonged to the public and sell it to private entities. IMO, that would fail item 2, "get reelected" but it definitively would bring in more revenue any way you look at it.
     
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    The Santa Rosa Island Authority were already discussing increasing the lease fees and at least on of the board members said first lets look at if we needed to do that. Secondly, I have yet been able to find any place where County Commissioners were involved in the selling off of the land except for one. Thirdly, it is moot, they had a Referendum on the issue and 80% or so voted to leave things as they were. Government listened! I searched and could not find one place where Representative Gaetz was asked to step in. Maybe I did not go far enough back or maybe it didn't make the news, or maybe it was done a little like the county specific law that required Walton to take its citizens to court to keep customary use. Of course these are just my opinions, and like belly buttons and assholes we all got them.
     
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    Kathryn, I hear you. I can assure you that I am not wealthy by any stretch of any imagination. Wealthy individuals may or may not abuse power. I think we owe everyone a chance to have a voice and then we can decide if they speak for The People or just for themselves. Before we decide we really need to know a lot about that person meaning that words and actions are both important. The very first thing that comes to my mind is who hides their name and who doesn't. Of course that is not enough information so in this forum we have a lot of words being typed. Assuming you have read everyone's post like I have we should be able to form a pretty accurate opinion. Tell us who you believe are misleading us with their words and actions.

    Every time I hear someone defending our precious capitalism as if it were a gift from God it makes me wonder where they have been lately. Have you ever wondered why small businesses are all but gone? Have you ever wondered why we have fewer and fewer choices for utilities, goods and services? Have you ever wondered why a business can be too big to fail therefore our tax dollars bail them out? Have you ever wondered about all the corporate welfare that is being given to big business with our tax dollars and then they outsource labor. Did you know that the 3rd most wealthiest place on earth are those little off shore islands that offer tax havens? Have you ever wondered why our utilities cost so much? Have you ever wondered why CEO's pay themselves millions upon millions of dollars? Have you ever wondered why wealth has accumulated over half of the worlds resources? Okay I could on and on but you get my point I hope. You do not have to be a socialist to see the problems with capitalism. We better fix capitalism or socialism will come. I would like to fix capitalism but it won't happen if we are not critical of the corruption.

    Capitalism creates wealth for a few is our present day reality. The middle class has always been America's economic backbone. Politicians talk a lot about the middle class but it keeps shrinking. If we want to fix capitalism it will take leadership of our elected representatives. How do we distinguish who those elected representatives represent. This is one of the most important decisions we The People will decide in our electoral process. If we do not get it right then the corruption of capitalism will continue to hoard resources until you and I both will wake up to a world where there is truly two classes of people.

     
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    Cheater.
     

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