Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy

Discussion in 'Local Government and Groups' started by Reggie Gaskins, Apr 25, 2019.

  1. kayti elliott

    kayti elliott Beach Lover

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    Let's get real here. "Disrespect, divisive propaganda" and the other things you mention aren't limited to the side that you disagree with. From what I'm reading, your posts have become more disrespectful and divisive with each new conversation. And I certainly am not a "BFO".
     
  2. mputnal

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    KE, I agree with you. You surprised? You need to go back and read all my post not just the snip and clip versions that one side is very gifted at. Disrespect is not limited to just one side so this is the point of conflict.

    I may have to agree with you about my divisive tone between The People and Wealth but I have tried to respect the local BFO's and the imposter BFO's that I am calling power brokers. These power brokers represent one thing: themselves. Not you. Not me. Not property rights. Not the Constitution. They want power over their domain and will use whatever tool they have to gain that power. They control our economic system, our political system, over 50% of the worlds resources and now they want the beautiful white sands that we all enjoy. They believe that you and I should stay the hell of their beach because they earned it and we just want something for nothing. This is where The People must stand up and fight because we work just as hard as they have and probably harder. Did they earn the right to exclude people from the beach? Don't be conflicted on this point. The answer is NO. They were given exclusive rights to build their castles on the beach which take away our views and destroy the sand dunes. They pulled strings to build their castles/mansions ON the resource with waivers, variances and all sorts of privileges or rights that you and I do not have access to. They now want the power to control the beach. If we give this to them they will continue to abuse their power and buy up this resource faster than we can say chicken little.

    There are times when we have to stand up and fight for something. If we don't the consequences are not in favor of The People. We will lose the majority of the beach to wealth. Maybe one day there will be a lottery for The People to briefly visit a section of the beach that is not ideal. Power is capable of doing whatever it wants to the people. Remember what we did to the Native American Indians. I believe that if we let ourselves be divided by deception, emotion and propaganda we will lose yet another resource to a small percentage of people. Are you sure that is what you want?
     
  3. outofadream

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    Man… Y’all need to get a life! Kurt why don’t you shut this thread down… It’s full of hate and ranting
     
  4. mputnal

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    Not sure what you mean. The only way to manage fear is to confront it. There is no hate in my message. Maybe some ranting but I prefer to call it having a voice. Calling me a fool or someone who wants something for nothing does only inspires me to have a voice. Stop calling me a fool and I will stop. Stop calling me unworthy to use the beach and will stop. Stop telling me that I should be blamed and ashamed for using the beach and I will stop. Stop telling me my voice has no meaning and I will stop. This is an important issue for control of the beach. Stop slinging all the BS about property rights being the issue and I will stop. Many ways to stop my voice. Telling me to go get a life is not one of them. The beach drives everything here. It is a big part of your life and mine!
     
  5. BlueMtnBeachVagrant

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    No disagreement with that assuming you mainly mean economically.
    :rolleyes:
    However, it’s not one of the 4 benchmarks for customary use as I think you are aware of.

    You state a fact, I state a fact - good thing. Snip and clip promotes understanding as it helps to “cut out” emotion and drill right down to the point(s). Just trying to address CU, not change the world here.
     
  6. EZ4144

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    For a lot of people here the beach drives their soul, not their pocketbook. Sadly you have either left that life or you never understood it. As a result you and your friends are soul crushers.
     
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  7. BlueMtnBeachVagrant

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    EXACTLY correct.

    For me, fighting customary use is much more about resisting the blatant overreach of the Walton County Commissioners and run-away government in general. And the antics of "carnival barkers" made it even more of an issue for BFOs. I'd (and I assume most BFOs) would much rather be left alone with our souls than be compensated by the government for taking private property. So you see, it's not for the "pocketbook" as you suggest. NOBODY likes the idea of being told who is allowed on one's private property. But of course and understandably, that's what you're disagreeing with because it's not your private property.

    There are plenty of ways to find your soul on public beaches and state parks. It just might not be as convenient in your particular situation as it would be to confiscate private property to minimize your walk in search of your soul.

    But if soul searching is what you're truly seeking, there's no question a state park is the place, away from the crushing public and beach vendors during high season. Customary use will just make it worse with run-away development and still not address the lack of county facilities including parking. And for the low season (75% of the year), there is no issue.

    Regarding pocketbooks, since you brought it up, trust me, there is a TON more money to be made by developing this area than any measly compensation the county might offer BFOs.

    And private beach is the only thing standing in the way of the county in their desire to change Walton County into a Bay or Okaloosa County and lose the unique charm of what we've come to know as 30A. I'll also throw in the 50 foot building height restriction as a deterrent to crazy growth but we know the commissioners could eliminate that with just one vote (as is allowed in Bay and Okaloosa) and there would be little to no recourse to that action. And please don't say that will never happen.
     
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  8. SUP View

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    Pretty broad brush you use regarding soul crushers.

    As a BFO, it is my right and responsibility to take care of my property in the best way possible. I don't believe it should be a problem for anyone to understand that, particularly as a legal matter. I am more than happy to have a young couple with children set up on the beach behind our house and enjoy the sand and water. Talk with them about where to eat, shop, etc... I have done exactly that. It is also my right to ask larger groups that are drinking, swearing, and being unruly to find another place. I don't want my friends, neighbors, or visitors to endure any of that behavior. And I have done that as well.

    I don't think that qualifies as a soul crusher. For those that have the beach as "their soul driver", there is a mile of public beach at Grayton State Park that is NEVER totally used.

    Still haven't heard of any "realistic" compromises from the CU group on this issue. Why is that? Very much like the "entitlement" groups in the USA, they just want it their way - period.
     
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  9. EZ4144

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    Two typical elitist responses. "go to state park".
     
  10. SUP View

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    Is the sand not good enough there? The view? The lack of crowds? Access to restrooms? Good parking? NO beach vendors?

    Or do some deem themselves too good for the state park?
     
  11. mputnal

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    SV, your brush only paints a darkness for this community. You are not from this community and it is amazing to me that you continue with the deception. You simply have not been truthful. You do not care for The People. You do not have any intention of sharing anything. You do not want compromise. You want. You take. You have received more entitlements that ALL the beach users combined. All I can figure is that greed is never satisfied. Please prove me wrong because there is no hope in your message. No truth. No evidence whatsoever of a compromise.
     
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  12. BlueMtnBeachVagrant

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    Actually the public accesses are probably more convenient and welcomes you with open arms. But then you know that already. I was merely suggesting that you have a choice: convenience or solitude.

    Just suggesting, since you brought up the soul and all, that the state parks are less crowded, much quieter, no nearby homes or commercial establishments, virgin scenery and of course, beach vending is not allowed there. Sounds to me like more of a mystical place to find one's soul than a public access.

    If that's the definition of elitism, then I believe we're all elitists if one is looking for true peace and quiet at the beach. Maybe you're not looking for soul searching but convenience. I guess Blue Mountain Beach and other public accesses will do just fine if you don't mind the crowds and competing for a parking space. CU will make sure that situation gets even better.
     
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  13. Charles Evans

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    Enough everyone, and I mean both sides. Take a breath, have a glass of wine and exhale.

    How about we conduct a one year experiment of NO BEACH VENDOR set-ups at dawn? Let’s see how much this frees up the public beaches. Just ridiculous that these folks overwhelm the beach every morning taking all of the prime locations, while half their chairs sit empty every day.

    I am NOT a beach front owner. I walk the wet sand miles on end and just shake my head at this beach vendor monster we have created and just how obnoxious they can be.

    Why not give it a shot?
     
  14. EZ4144

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    Go to the state park if you don't like vendors. :rolleyes:
     
  15. mputnal

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    Commercial beach chair vending on the beach is a serious problem. It is out of control and I believe both sides would agree. Good community leaders would use this conflict to bridge the gap between residential BFO's and CU supporters. The problem is not created by residential BFO's and yes I agree it pushes beach users to expand their search for empty beach. Commercial BFO's use the beach chair vending to stay in control of their domain and their guest happy. This problem may be more complex than it seems on the surface but IMO I believe the practice of setting up the whole beach must end. Is it possible that this one issue could bring the two sides of this lawsuit together? From my perspective the answer is no because BFO's have slung enough BS around about property rights and good for nothing "entitlement groups" to keep the pot stirred. My position is right in the middle of this conflict and even I have dug in to fight the blatant disrespect for The People.

    The methods being used to make and keep people angry in this thread is unforgivable. Some of the posters in this thread are not from this community and this deception must stop. So I would agree with anyone who believes Kurt should end this thread. We are all just repeating our "opinions" over and over. The continuation just works in favor of the imposter BPO's who are hired assassins of compromise as well as power brokers. The methods being used in this thread by these fake BPO's should prove to everyone reading this stuff that they are not from around here at all. The real BPO's have been tricked into thinking that they are on their side. If this is not the truth then why would they not come clean about who they are after making so many claims of sharing the beach with families and children while telling us that a child should be punished for not getting permission to exercise on the beach? Why would they use case law to prove a point that does not prove any point? Why would they hide their names after making long statements about their being such generous contributors in this community? I could go on and on but I just hope Kurt will shut it down. These people are not who they say they are and unless they prove themselves to be who they say they are then we should not believe a word that comes from them.

    This will be my last post on this subject. In conclusion I believe there should have been compromise and there was opportunity for it until people were mislead and deceived by the power brokers. I now believe that the beach should always be open to a respectful public. I believe that commercial vending and beach density must be addressed. Finally, I believe that The People have power in unity and all we need to do is be respectful to each other to solve problems. Thank you Kurt for letting me have a voice!
     
  16. BlueMtnBeachVagrant

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    I see where Florida Beaches for All is trying to ride the coattails of Diane Krumel whose organization successfully convinced Escambia County commissioners to not sell off publicly owned beaches for private development as well as keeping unleased county owned beach public.

    The approved ordinance upholds a 1947 deed, prohibiting Escambia County from selling any publicly-owned part of Santa Rosa Island.”

    Click here for news report.

    So Escambia County already owns the beach but the commissioners were considering selling parts of it. That’s just a wee bit different than what Dave and Daniel would have you believe is taking place in Walton County.


    So here’s the coattails part:

    On Facebook, Dave Rauschkolb says, “Well put” to Daniel Uhlfelder’s comment,

    "Great victory for Florida’s public beach use in Pensacola beach this week. Dianne Krumel is an American hero and beach soldier. She is an inspiration to me and others fighting for beach use in Walton county. She was viciously attacked and defamed by her opponents, but did not give up. Supporters of customary use in Walton County have also been viciously attacked and defamed but we’re not giving up either." Daniel Uhlfelder.

    Dave continues on,

    “We need your help to ensure all of our Walton County beaches remain open to the public forever. Please financially support our efforts at floridabeachesforall.org. We represent non beachfront owners and the beach going public in the Walton County Lawsuit to restore Customary Use to our beaches. We are fighting the fight for you and taking heat from wealthy, powerful entities determined to keep our beaches private. This is a president setting case that could pave the way for private beaches on Florida and the Nation. Please go to our website and donate whatever you can today! We are a 501c4 nonprofit. The funds are needed for legal and operating expenses.

    Thank you! Floridabeachesforall.org



    Dianne Krummel fought against the county to prevent them from selling off already owned public beach and making it private. Dave and Daniel are fighting with the county to take private beach and make it public.

    IMHO, it’s an insult to Diane Krummel’s efforts of keeping publicly owned beach public - that Dave and Daniel are using her name to further their cause of destroying private property rights.

    By the way, Uhlfelder said CU supporters were attacked and defamed. I won’t bring up the Nazi card thing. Ooops, just did.
     
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  17. Bob Wells

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    Not so fast there... As I have read the story he got his ass handed to him.
    Representative Gaetz was involved in the Escambia County one also...
    Gaetz bill for private beach ownership advances in Congress
     
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    Bob, I'm not following how your comment refutes the points that BMBVagrant made. Can you please explain what was wrong with his point?
     
  19. Dave Rauschkolb

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    But what you clearly don’t have a clue about is it we are friends of Diane’s and she is an ally. Goodbye
     
  20. Dave Rauschkolb

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