Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy

Discussion in 'Local Government and Groups' started by Reggie Gaskins, Apr 25, 2019.

  1. BlueMtnBeachVagrant

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    Ah geeeeeze, again???
     
  2. BeachSandpiper

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    Wow. There is no way a reasonable discussion can be compared to the horror of "Nazi tactics." That comparison is demeaning to many who have family members who gave their lives or were brutalized by Nazis. You should remove that statement from this discussion. There is absolutely no reason for name calling in a reasoned, adult discussion. Period.
     
  3. FactorFiction

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    If you are waiting for an apology, BlueMtnBeachVagrant, please don't hold your breath. Even hoping that people will stand up against whatever they see is harmful is not common anymore. Too many keyboard warriors that publicize the names and personal information and then take to social media to discredit them. Social media was such a wonderful tool until people started using it for shaming, bullying, spreading unverified information, etc. It still has some wonderful uses for keeping people connected, but it isn't very social anymore in a lot of circles.
     
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    Yeah, I know. Taking a breath.

    It’s just that if CU proponents can’t even admit to and condemn all this Nazi crap, well it’s just plain sad.

    Pawn takes knight. Have to throw in a tiny bit of humor.

    Added...BTW, the request for apology/condemnation is not just for me. It’s for the 6 million Jews who were murdered and their families. It’s also for everyone reading this who has a sense of decency regardless of CU position.
     
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  5. Auburn Fan

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    Bogus? Propaganda? Gaslighting? Misinformation? Nazi tactics!? Dominate the media?

    You obviously haven't seen that very real VIOLENT SNIPER MURDER VIDEO! With over 900 views now. And the only person brave enough to confront the video producer has been our Teresa, bless her heart.

    It's really easy to sit at a keyboard and throw out some big vocabulary words. How about you give this forum a specific example of just ONE of those big vocab accusations. Prove your point, man. Go ahead. I'll wait.
     
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  6. Lake View Too

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    Bloviating was made famous by Bill O’Reilly, a well known right wing comment or known for his insulting attitude.
     
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    Answer my question. Instead of changing the subject.
     
  8. BlueMtnBeachVagrant

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    Nobody can ever accuse you of not being the sharpest tool in the shed. You keep digging yourself deeper and deeper at an alarming rate.
     
  9. BlueMtnBeachVagrant

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    Reggie, amazing how well the picture fits the narrative of some here.
     
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    Best thing to do is ignore Lake View. Just wants attention. Does not warrant a reply if all he's got is immature inconsequential banter. All talk, no substance. Wait LV2 won't address a single fact or will reply with his inane banter or a goofy photo.
     
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    I see what you mean. His accusations are baseless and his reply is tasteless. Looks like he wants to be a real bully when he grows up.
     
  13. Jenksy

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    Exactly what a NAZI would say.
     
  14. Auburn Fan

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    To quote last month's comment by you,

    "Nice try TROLL. Go back to FACEBOOK."
     
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    Well this has quickly turned into a :trainwreck:...
    so much for having a "discussion" ...
     
  16. Dave Rauschkolb

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    Now there is a lie. The person who posted the "shooter" video is not affiliated with Florida Beaches for All in any way. Characterizing that anyone of sound mind would approve of it as well as the leadership of Florida Beaches for all is a lie.
     
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    Thank you Jodi, you are correct. In review...
    Pro property rights and long time 30A residents predict complete destruction of 30A lifestyle because of the CU noise and campaign. Either side winning ruins our peace.
    We have submitted facts on Quiet Title, Current law, Private beach history, Taxation of beach property, and examples of deliberate sensationalism initiated by the CU leaders. We have provided evidence of of false reporting and violent advocacy by CU leadership members. And yet, These objective facts have been met with only emotion, diversion, opinion, and CU fake talking points. So, Jodi, in answering your request for discussion, Do you believe Quiet Titles to be a problem or cause of any beach privatization? Simple question.
     
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    I believe that Quiet title has been used by some, not all, in a nefarious way in order to claim title to property they are not entitled to and to keep others from doing what their families have been doing for generations....enjoying the beach without fear of a militarized presence (police,sheriffs,armed security guards) showing up to remove them. When my children were young and we spent every available minute at the beach the only thing they had to worry about was jellyfish stings and dog flies. They respected peoples private property, they knew not to go on any ones walkover or to even think about trampling the dunes. But for the most part they just enjoyed playing in the soft sand that wasnt hot.
     
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    Exactly what a NAZI would say.
     
  20. FloridaBeachBum

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    jodiFL, many understand what you and non-beachfront owners believe but why do you believe it? What information do you base your conclusion? Just because we have done that way for years is not a valid legal criteria. The multiple custom criteria does not include the affect on the local economy.

    Why do you think quiet title is a nefarious (defined as wicked, evil, or criminal) way in order to claim title to property they are not entitled to?

    I think your first premise is that the property before quiet title was public property to start with. Patently false. Do you know for a fact it was public property before the judicial quiet title action? Lets take Blue Mountain Beach where CUers decry a celebrity property quiet title. I think because it’s easy and to get the most publicity for their misinformation.

    Have you or Dave Rauschkolb, or attorney Daniel Uhlfelder seen the 1948 BMB Subdivision No. 1 plat? It’s public record. Quiet title is a court proceeding heard by a judge. Like CUnCourt Judge Green. You don’t just pay $600 like Dave Rauschkolb has claimed and you have a new title. Do you know who the judge was for the BMB quiet title action? One guess. Have you seen the owner’s quiet title court documents and evidence?

    The BMB developer platted his private property and included “BEACH” seaward of individual parcels on the plat. Not Public BEACH. Not a dedication as public BEACH. The short version as I understand; the court determined that the developer's private BWB Subdivision No. 1 BEACH property is included in the landward property owner’s title. So the quiet title was from the private development owner to the private property parcel. NEVER was the BEACH public. Some BMB Subdivision No 1 owners have quieted their title and others have not. It is not automatic. The parcels that do not extend to the MHWL are is still BMB Subdivision No 1 private property.

    If you agree that the BMB BEACH has always been private property would you agree that the private property owners have the right to exclusive enjoyment of their property unless FIRST a court determines that public customary use of private property is Constitutional and meets the multiple ancient English (not American) common law custom criteria? Can you explain the legal definition of ancient common law custom? What about the other criteria? If even one criterion is not proven; customary use of private property fails.

    There are 26 miles of Walton beaches. About 50% or 13 miles or 68,640 feet and all 26 miles of beach foreshore seaward of the MHWL is available to the public (and BCC authorized vendors) Are you saying you can’t find a public beach or you just want the covenant private beaches the property owners have shared with you and the public over the decades?

    If you think quiet title is nefarious and Walton BCC had legal grounds to stop or reverse quiet title, don’t you think Walton BCC would?

    Thanks for sharing your belief but can you explain what justifies your belief? What is your belief based on? Facts? Law? Because Dave Rauschkolb, or Daniel Uhlfelder said so?
     
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