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30ashopper

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Apr 30, 2008
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Right here!
The look on my mom's face when I asked her why my son had to be anything (with respect to organized religion) was enlightenment. It had never occurred to her before then that an infant didn't have to be baptized because everyone she knew had been and were also under the impression that they had to.

I know this because SHE TOLD ME what she was thinking at that moment afterwards. So your opinion on what she was thinking is incorrect and irrelevant since we actually know.

This is exactly what we see here in this discussion. Folks seem to have never even considered the prospect that we can be productive, really good, well adjusted, successful people without religion.

I appreciate the discussion. I think you're wrong about this though if you take the 50,000 foot level and consider what can happen across multiple generations. If not religion, you need something akin to it. Our natural instincts tend to be 'evil', but in nature 'good' and 'evil' don't really exist.

(LM - I will definitely pick up the book, looked interesting.)
 

Geo

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I appreciate the discussion. I think you're wrong about this though if you take the 50,000 foot level and consider what can happen across multiple generations. If not religion, you need something akin to it. Our natural instincts tend to be 'evil', but in nature 'good' and 'evil' don't really exist.

(LM - I will definitely pick up the book, looked interesting.)

I agree that "if not Religion, we need something akin to it". That's my point. Teaching morals is akin. You don't need religion to teach morals.

And I agree that lawlessness and the absence of handing down morals/values (or something akin to it) from generation to generation would create an uncivilized, badly behaving society.

Teach your children well. This can and is done regularly with and without organized religion.
 

scooterbug44

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Sorry, but I have known FAR too many religious hypocrites and sinners AND far too many honest and moral non-churchgoers to believe that the presense of religion means morals and a lack of organized religion means immorality.

My parents did not teach me values by taking me to church and letting the preacher yap. They taught me by example, they set high standards, they punished me when I erred, and they had very definite ideas of right and wrong.

Yes, because of how I was raised my life choices follow the teachings of Jesus - but many Christians do not - including many who wear the official uniform and wish to condemn others.
 

zip3

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Bob, I find it sad that at the end of your last thread you said: I can fix about anything but myself. Church can help you with that and you will have a connection that will get you more focused on a good life and not just yourself.
 

zip3

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The look on my mom's face when I asked her why my son had to be anything (with respect to organized religion) was enlightenment. It had never occurred to her before then that an infant didn't have to be baptized because everyone she knew had been and were also under the impression that they had to.

I know this because SHE TOLD ME what she was thinking at that moment afterwards. So your opinion on what she was thinking is incorrect and irrelevant since we actually know.

This is exactly what we see here in this discussion. Folks seem to have never even considered the prospect that we can be productive, really good, well adjusted, successful people without religion.

I know you love your mother and your mother loves you. When you get older you will realize you have broken your mother's heart because baptism is important to her.
 

LuciferSam

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I know you love your mother and your mother loves you. When you get older you will realize you have broken your mother's heart because baptism is important to her.

A grown man's personal values should take precedence over either one of his parent's.
 

Geo

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I know you love your mother and your mother loves you. When you get older you will realize you have broken your mother's heart because baptism is important to her.

:blink:

Even Mr. Rourke takes a break from Fantasy Island once in a while.

You have no idea what you are talking about. My mom has thanked me on more than one occasion for helping her to open her eyes. Her heart has never been fuller nor has she ever been more proud of her son. I can assure you that having some stranger dip her grandkids' heads in water in exchange for a "donation" is no longer important to her.

Italicized words are hers, not mine. She's in town. Let me know if you'd like to meet her so she can tell you herself.

:wave:
 

Arkiehawg

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I know you love your mother and your mother loves you. When you get older you will realize you have broken your mother's heart because baptism is important to her.

WOW, didn't know that you were Geo's pappy. :cool:
 

AndrewG

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That's messed up. Gotta take a break from this board. Infested by progressive, anti-religious, global warming fruitcakes. Just seems like a miserable place to be, always against the grain of mainstream.

People can believe in whatever religion or not at all. Why do those who don't believe try so hard to get others to follow in their footsteps? I think it's the guilt of the chance of an afterlife in hell that makes them nervous. Misery loves company.

Cyas in a few weeks
 

LuciferSam

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That's messed up. Gotta take a break from this board. Infested by progressive, anti-religious, global warming fruitcakes. Just seems like a miserable place to be, always against the grain of mainstream.

People can believe in whatever religion or not at all. Why do those who don't believe try so hard to get others to follow in their footsteps? I think it's the guilt of the chance of an afterlife in hell that makes them nervous. Misery loves company.

Cyas in a few weeks

Right, and of course no one of your ilk has been intrusive in other people's lives.:sarc:


P.S. I feel certain you meet the overturning of DADT with approval seeing as that would be in line with the mainstream.
 
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