Ga colleges "may" ban illegal immigrants

[hkem1]

Either it's a random process w/ variables or it's so straightforward a few possible illegals are ruining your chances. Gotta pick one. ;-)

Well, I have not researched every colleges admission procedures but I know UT-Austin's pretty well and it's a little bit of both of those.

It's straight forward in that 50% of it is an formula based on academics that gives you a score. The other 50% is the PAI, (Personal Achievement Index) which is a subjective score based on your essays, extracurriculars, and personal background. These are combined to form an hypothesized freshman year GPA. Then a computer lines all of the scores up, and they say they need to admit however many applicants based on their expected yield. The computer draws the line at the number and everyone above that above that line gets accepted and everyone below it gets denied.

So it's straightfoward in that you could be the first person on the wrong side of that line, and it be because an illegal immigrant was on the good side of the line.

The random part is, you can't control how strong the other applicants are. So an application that might have gotten declined one year could be accepted the next year.

Frankly I don't quite understand how any "illegal alien" could complete the mountain of paperwork and data necessary for college admission (medical, financial, transcripts, SSN etc.) without already being on the government's radar..

Well they are, but it's the state government that runs higher education. And we all know what happens if the state tries to enforce federal laws. ;-)

 

[hkem1]

I just joined the boardr. I don't understand why everyone isn't given the same opportunnity to go to college. My oldest son want to go and just because he doesnt have a piece of paper they will turn him down.

A lot of states will be very generous to your son regarding college admissions and funding. You just have to find out which ones.

 

[Jose P]

Why is a birth certifcate such a big deal. Most people didnt work to get one but act like it should give them special privliges. We all live on earth

 

[Rita]

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[30ashopper]

Why is a birth certifcate such a big deal. Most people didnt work to get one but act like it should give them special privliges. We all live on earth

The people of Georgia pay for their schools through taxes. Seems reasonable to me they would prefer only Georgia residents enjoy the benefits of their hard work.

The issue gets muddied by whether or not illegal immigrants pay their fair share of state level taxes. There are conflicting studies out indicating they do and they don't, so it's hard to know. In a state like Florida they probably do.

I would also think that the appeal of paying in-state tuition would motivate parents here illegally to become legal residents. Generally speaking, that's a good thing right? Why would you want to raise your kids in a situation where you are violating the law on a daily basis. That doesn't make a very good role model.

 

[hkem1]

? {I} would rather have that kid [become] a neurosurgeon than a tomato picker. I?d rather him be a taxpayer than a tax taker. And for that I offer no apology.?
-Mike Huckabee

That is a quote from Mike Huckabee while discussing the DREAM act. He obviously supports it and I think it is the answer to the problems put forward on this board.

I do not consider the DREAM Act amnesty and it would help good illegal immigrant children stay while the unworthy ones leave. It would require the child to have been in the U.S. since before he/she was 16 and he/she would have to spend two years in college or serve in the military. The person would also have to have NO criminal record. After completing that criteria the person would be placed on a pathway to citizenship.

Obviously this would help tremendously with military recruiting as well.

I think we are hurting our competitiveness with the rest of the world when we are deporting high school valedictorians and future engineers because their parents brought them over when they were three years old.


Mike Huckabee:

Well, let me be clear, because I?m not for an amnesty program. Here?s what I did favor, and I still favor it, and this makes people mad at me?and if it does, so be it. But here?s the issue. When a kid comes to his country, and he?s four years old and he had no choice in it ? his parents came illegally. He still, because he is in this state, it?s the state?s responsibility ? in fact, it is the state?s legal mandate ? to make sure that child is in school. So let?s say that kid goes to school. That kid is in our school from kindergarten through the 12th grade. He graduates as valedictorian because he?s a smart kid and he works his rear end off and he becomes the valedictorian of the school. The question is: Is he better off going to college and becoming a neurosurgeon or a banker or whatever he might become, and becoming a taxpayer, and in the process having to apply for and achieve citizenship, or should we make him pick tomatoes? I think it?s better if he goes to college and becomes a citizen. So, I did support a bill in my state, and I would support it today. I don?t want anyone to think I?ve backed away from it ? that you do not punish a child for something the parent did. And if in fact the provision in the law says that in order to obtain the scholarship, you have to be in the process of applying for citizenship and becoming legal, then I?d rather have that kid a neurosurgeon than a tomato picker. I?d rather him be a taxpayer than a tax taker. And for that I offer no apology?

 

[scooterbug44]

The people of Georgia pay for their schools through taxes. Seems reasonable to me they would prefer only Georgia residents enjoy the benefits of their hard work.

The issue gets muddied by whether or not illegal immigrants pay their fair share of state level taxes. There are conflicting studies out indicating they do and they don't, so it's hard to know. In a state like Florida they probably do.

I would also think that the appeal of paying in-state tuition would motivate parents here illegally to become legal residents. Generally speaking, that's a good thing right? Why would you want to raise your kids in a situation where you are violating the law on a daily basis. That doesn't make a very good role model.

Which I would agree with if you had to be a Georgia resident or be a US citizen in order to attend that college.

But you don't - our colleges have many foreign students - some of whom pay the full cost of tuition and some who get aid.

IMO a higher education is a privilege - so my only issue is that people who are not following our laws are getting to enjoy a privilege. (And I think those who can't make the cut don't deserve the privilege either.)

 

[hkem1]

IMO a higher education is a privilege - so my only issue is that people who are not following our laws are getting to enjoy a privilege. (And I think those who can't make the cut don't deserve the privilege either.)

But I think if someone is a high school valedictorian who can become a contributor to society through taxes and innovation, it would be stupid for the state to take away that privilege because of something the person didn't decide to do 15 years earlier.

 

[scooterbug44]

I think everyone within our borders needs to either be a citizen, be on the path to citizenship, or be a legal alien.

How we go about that (the situation is currently improving which is why I question the need for lawmakers to be involved in minor issues like this) and what makes some illegals more desirable as citizens is up for debate.

 

[Jose P]

The lazy Americans want to opress the hard working people that actully do the work. College should be based on your ability not Country of birth.