If this does not make you think twice about Obama......

[poppy]

Charecter is important in the man that leads the greatest country in the world. And when you consider William Ayers, Rezko, Pflager, Acorn and sitting in the pew listening to Jeremiah Wright for 20 years you really have to question BO's charecter.

If all this bothers you it's simple, vote for McCain, no one says you will be a traitor or terrorist sympathizer if you do, well except for the Republicans back in 2000 during the primary.

You gave us "W" the last 2 times so forgive some us if we question the Republican choice this time. If Obama doesn't do a good job we can replace him in 4 years and I will vote for someone else if that happens, but for me he is my choice this time.

If Obama is truly the evil american hating Arab intent on destroying America as we know it, then Bush is a bigger moron than I ever imagined. Shouldn't the F.B.I., C.I.A., Justice Dept., and who ever else be in on this knowledge every conservative seems to posess.

We are all in this together and I will repeat what I've said before. Both of these candidates are decent American loving patriots with different backgrounds and life experiences. Choose the one your conscious tells you to based on the truth, not some made up half true B.S. e-mails you recieve from people you never heard of.

No matter who wins, he will be my president and I will support him untill he turns in to a "W", then he's on his own, but even then we are all Americans.

 

[poppy]

I'm still not sure how all this change is going to be accomplished, but I am ready to work on it.


This quote, taken from a post in this thread, is what scares me about Obama and makes me think someone has drank to kool-aid. Change, in and of itself is not always good! Does anyone think the changes of 9/11 were "good? " Does anyone think taxing the country into a depression is "good?" Does anyone think allowing thousands of illegal votes to be cast is "good?" I can go on and on, but the fact is millions are saying they are going to vote for Obama and have no idea what he will do except "change" something.

Who has taxed the country into a depression?

Who has allowed thousands of illegal votes to be cast?

Details please.

 

[mossyhead]

I don't have any problem w/ Obama knowing William Ayers or serving on a committee with him.

Before I was born he was part of a militant group opposed to the Vietnam War. He was NEVER convicted of anything in connection with them.

Decades later he is a respected college professor and former aide to the Mayor of Chicago.

Would someone please explain what (if anything) I am missing?

In his words, "Guilty as sin, free as a bird." He was not innocent, but an illigal wire tape was used to try to convict him.

http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2008/05/obama_pal_bill.html

In 2001 after 9/11 he said he was NOT sorry for what he did.

 

[scooterbug44]

Ayers publicly condemned all acts of terrorism after 9-11.

The comment you reference is one in which he said he wasn't sorry for trying to stop the Vietnam War and in fact, wished we had done even more to stop it.

Still don't see why we should condemn Obama for minor contact w/ him.

 

[idlewind]

Who has taxed the country into a depression? No one has yet, but Obama will if Congress pases his tax increases. I have zero confidence that Pelosi or Reid will do anything but cheer him on.

Who has allowed thousands of illegal votes to be cast? Acorn, nuff said.

Details please.

Hope this clears things up for you.

 

[poppy]

Quote:
Originally Posted by poppy
Who has taxed the country into a depression? No one has yet, but Obama will if Congress pases his tax increases. I have zero confidence that Pelosi or Reid will do anything but cheer him on.

Who has allowed thousands of illegal votes to be cast? Acorn, nuff said.

Details please.

Hope this clears things up for you.

So, you can predict the future. Too bad you couldn't do it in 2000 and 2004.

Where has ACORN allowed thousands of illegal votes to be cast and how is that BO's fault if true?

 

[mossyhead]

Ayers publicly condemned all acts of terrorism after 9-11.

The comment you reference is one in which he said he wasn't sorry for trying to stop the Vietnam War and in fact, wished we had done even more to stop it.

Still don't see why we should condemn Obama for minor contact w/ him.

If it were just one association but there are several. And that he felt he needed to associate with these people to further his political career speaks poorly of his judgement.

 

[Teresa]

If it were just one association but there are several. And that he felt he needed to associate with these people to further his political career speaks poorly of his judgement.

I can just imagine the long list of questionable "associations" on McCain's list throughout the years of his political career. but, that isn't what makes him what he is today. we are concerned with the issues of this election. not his past alliances and associations.

this is why I believe the media has been overly generous to McCain - much MORE could be unveiled about his personal and political career/associations (a few listed below). what is the point? just not relevant.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_10/015043.php
Americans need to ask themselves if they've ever befriended a convicted felon who advised his supporters on how best to shoot federal officials in the head. John McCain has.

Americans need to ask themselves if they've ever used the money of a convicted criminal to help them buy their house. John McCain has.

Americans need to ask themselves if they've ever befriended a radical televangelist who has lashed out at the Roman Catholic Church, calling it, among other things, "the great whore" and "a false cult system." John McCain has.

Americans need to ask themselves if they've ever sought economic advice from a far-right former lawmaker who "has diminished American solvency and power beyond the wildest dreams of anti-American terrorists." John McCain has.

Americans need to ask themselves if they've ever befriended a radical televangelist who blamed the attacks of Sept. 11 on Americans. John McCain has.

My point isn't that the presidential campaign should be based on who the candidates have met; my point is that we could probably play this foolish game all day long. And on balance, McCain's ties to a pretty motley crew are far more direct and meaningful than Obama's. So maybe we can just skip it and debate substance for the next month?

 

[scooterbug44]

If it were just one association but there are several. And that he felt he needed to associate with these people to further his political career speaks poorly of his judgement.

The smoking guns of association that I am aware of are:

1) Ayers gave $200 to Obama's campaign
2) They were both on the same committee for a well respected foundation
3) They went to the same party

"these people" - would those be tenured college professors who have been named chicago's man of the year? ;-)

 

[Cheering472]

So, you can predict the future. Too bad you couldn't do it in 2000 and 2004.

Where has ACORN allowed thousands of illegal votes to be cast and how is that BO's fault if true?

Good point Poppy.

Furthermore ACORN has ties with both candidates. McCain has supported them and has spoken at their events. The ACORN issue is that independant workers (poor people) hired by ACORN, submitted names to fill a quota in order to get paid. These names included the following "people"... Pizza Hut, Jimmie Johns, Wal Greens etc. Mr Hut, Mr Johns and Mr Greens will never show up to vote as they don't exist. So they aren't illegal votes and neither Obama nor McCain had anything to do with it.