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Mermaid

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Aug 11, 2005
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Beach Runner said:
You're lucky you were compensated. Like I said, we've never gotten a dime for any damage done by renters.

Perhaps it's time for you to investigate using another company. I can't imagine you wouldn't be as firm and authoritive as Donna when reporting damages to your mgmt. company, but obviously you are not being treated as respectfully as Donna. Therefore, I'd be inclined to take my business elsewhere. Sure, it's a pain in the butt to have to go through the search process again, but on the other hand your mgmt. company is making a very hefty commission profit at your expense. You ought to be profiting as well.

Or

Here's another approach, and it might be easier on you than getting another mgmt. company, but would offer you the same results. Donna's mentioned that she has a marvelous housekeeper and that they have a good working relationship. Perhaps if you got yourself a housekeeper like hers, one who is dedicated to your house, this person would get to know your house and therefore become immediately aware when something's not right. Surely it wouldn't be difficult to arrange because you have only 15 rental incidences a year. It wouldn't inconvenience your mgmt. company that much to accomodate you and not send different crew each time to your house.
 

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Jul 31, 2005
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Beach Runner: I agree with Mermaid - sounds like it's time to look for a new management company, or hire an separate individual to inspect between rental guests.

I'm a firm believer that high (but fair) rates and thorough pre-screening eliminates most, if not all potential damage issues. IMO, more owners should take an active role in screening/ booking potential guests if they have the time to do so. There are a few management companies that allow owners to participate in the rental process.

Of course an occassional incident is unavoidable over time I suppose - that's the nature of this business. I am sorry to hear of the damage you have received, and hope you find a resolution.
 
Thanks for the advice, everyone. Yes, we're going to need to have a serious discussion with our management company.

Pre-screening renters was mentioned on another thread. It seems rather controversial, and I still don't understand how it works. I can see how a particular rental company might have a blacklist of renters who have done damage in the past. But if damage is done and the rental management company doesn't inspect the house in-between renters well enough to be certain that the most recent renter did the damage (as opposed to a previous renter), then no one gets put on the blacklist.
 

DBOldford

Beach Fanatic
Jan 25, 2005
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Napa Valley, CA
This is really a tough issue and we have found a few ways of dealing with it over the years. For what it's worth, here are some of those experiences:

(1) Having a good housekeeper is critical, because they are often the only people who actually see your house. And I touch bases with ours fairly regularly to see how people are treating the house. Also a good idea to ask them about things that won't be treated well. Believe me, they have seen it all. If the housekeepers don't report damage, nothing hapens in terms of compensation.

(2) We all hate screening renters, but we have started doing it and no one seems unhappy. I have our company send a one-page questionaire to all renters and they respond with how many adults and how many children will occupy the house. Then I usually call the house on a Friday or Saturday night to inquire as to whether they found everything they needed, whether the house was cleaned properly, and how they were treated at check-in.

I once called the house on a Friday night and asked for the adult in charge. Loud music and shouting in the background, long delay for anyone to come to the phone. Finally, an obviously very young woman got on the phone and said, "Thank yuuuuu soooo much for taking a chance on these girls." Flags up everywhere, so I called the management company to check it out. Sure enough, there was no chaperone and the housekeeper stopped counting at 20 cases of beer bottles. I put this renter on the black-ball list for the future. We now have three people on that list.

There are several things to beware of: (1) Last minute rentals, especially in the spring and the first week in June. These are often college students (who don't plan) or senior graduation trips. I'm sure there are some good ones, but we haven't had a good group like this to date. They are typically inadequately chaperoned, drink excessively, and have no regard for themselves or your property. (2) The other thing to avoid is a two-night rental on a weekend such as New Year's Eve, Halloween, a big football weekend, etc. (3) People who start asking for a discounted rental from the outset, because they will be looking for some reason to justify one later. Fortunately, this doesn't happen too often.

(3) All management companies have strengths and weaknesses, but there is something to be said with hiring a good one close to your house, then trying to work out problems rather than jumping ship. These companies value long-term relationships and desirable properties. They are usually doing the best they can with a very limited labor base and high stress situations during the summer and holiday seasons. The property turnover alone is a stress test. I have pinpointed specific individuals that I know are trustworth and responsive and then cultivated strong relationships with those individuals. Consequently, they will move heaven and earth to take care of us. For example, the housekeeper gets a free week; my key contacts get little gifts for new baby or a special birthday; the office gets the biggest box of See's Candy I can order during the holidays. These are inexpensive gestures in the long run, but it lets people know you think of them as something other than a jobber.

(4) Ask your management company for a list of your renters from the previous year and send holiday cards to them. I like to get those folders and include a favorite photograph of Grayton Beach or of Conch Out. We now receive lovely holiday cards, often with a family picture from their time at Conch Out, and we also have a growing list of those who are repeat renters. They are our gold! And makes it very easy for you to check and confirm who is a repeat renter and who is not.

Hope this helps. Beachrunner, I would tend to agree that you need a new company. Perhaps the one you now have is somewhat limited in terms of clientele and so more concerned with keeping renters than managing your lovely home as it should be. Good luck!
 
Donna, a few questions:

(1) I know the supervisor of housekeeping, but I don't know the people who actually clean the house. I suppose I should just ask to meet them the next time we're there (of course, that'll be after the rental season)?

(2) How do you know if the questionnaire is answered truthfully? Also, the management company doesn't want me calling the renters. And several renters have posted on this board that they wouldn't like being called by the owner. Or receiving Christmas cards.

(4) The rental company does give us the last name of the renters in our year-end report. I'll check the lists for repeats and ask the rental company for their addresses.

Some really great ideas, Donna. Thanks!
 

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Jul 31, 2005
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Beach Runner said:
How do you know if the questionnaire is answered truthfully? Also, the management company doesn't want me calling the renters. And several renters have posted on this board that they wouldn't like being called by the owner. Or receiving Christmas cards.
Management companies need to understand that the homeowner is the reason they are in business - and the owner has every right to (and should IMO) make a welcome call to the guests after check-in. Any guest who views a 'welcome call' as intrusive, 'may' be the type who does not respect the property ;-)

Food for thought...............
 

Rita

margarita brocolia
Dec 1, 2004
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Dune Allen Beach
Beach Runner said:
Donna, a few questions:

(1) I know the supervisor of housekeeping, but I don't know the people who actually clean the house. I suppose I should just ask to meet them the next time we're there (of course, that'll be after the rental season)?

(2) How do you know if the questionnaire is answered truthfully? Also, the management company doesn't want me calling the renters. And several renters have posted on this board that they wouldn't like being called by the owner. Or receiving Christmas cards.

(4) The rental company does give us the last name of the renters in our year-end report. I'll check the lists for repeats and ask the rental company for their addresses.

Some really great ideas, Donna. Thanks!

BR,

The owner of the last place we stayed called and asked us if the home was clean and satisfactory with us. We did not take this as an intrusion, but rather concern for our comfort. We appreciated it when done in this manner.

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Jdarg

SoWal Expert
Feb 15, 2005
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Rita said:
BR,

The owner of the last place we stayed called and asked us if the home was clean and satisfactory with us. We did not take this as an intrusion, but rather concern for our comfort. We appreciated it when done in this manner.

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I have never been called by an owner except once- and she had lost her jewelry pouch and asked us to look around the house for it (looked for 30 minutes and didn't find it). When we called back to tell her, she muttered thanks and hung up. No "how is everything, how is the weather, sorry to ask you to do this, etc. We had rented that house several times too.

I would LOVE for an owner to call us and welcome us like Donna calls her guests. That is no intrusion at all! And I would love a Christmas card too! The boys went out on a fishing charter several years back and received a Christmas card with their pic from their fishing trip. Very memorable, and we have referred several people to them. So bring on the cards and calls!!!
 

swantree

Beach Fanatic
Feb 28, 2006
553
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SRB
www.blueswell.com
you all need to call me! i don't use this normally as a platform to sell my biz. but I have several VRBO's and have taken into account just about every comment on this thread. I have worked with Conch out cottage and washed those slip-covers once. I have Casa Verde down the street. Plus, a few in watercolor and watersound.
http://swantree.com
A company that works for you!
 
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